Nudie boards....

**walks** · 10-16-2008, 01:10 PM

Any day but a powder day would make me feel warm and fuzzy.

**djd66** · 10-16-2008, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Tin Woodsman

Originally Posted by castlerock

This isn't a "nudity" issue. It is erotic imagery. If they need to be wrapped in black in the ski store, they have no place in liftlines.

I'm a big personal responsibility and personal freedom guy, UNTIL it interferes with the rights of others. I don't want my 6 year old girl or my 10 and 12 year old boys to be exposed to sexual images while skiing, period.

I think that Win's comment that he can't ban the boards at Sugarbush is not correct. He sure can, and I believe that he probably will have to revisit the thought if the family pass holders (like me) come complaining.

+1

This has nothing to do with free speech or "a misunderstood culture". It has everything to do with a large corporation whipping up a faux controversy so they can appear to be more "core". Like their poaching campaign last year, it's pathetic and cynical.

Totally agree with Tin and CR. Just imagine what it would be like riding up a gondola, some boarder gets in with his board "nudie board" I am sitting there with my 2 kids (both very young) Free speach? Please tell me, what is the message you are trying to get across? I want to explain it to my 4 year old daughter.

**shadyjay** · 10-16-2008, 01:26 PM

Ya know, maybe I'll go out and buy one and ride it this year.

Its a freakin board, people! I don't see the big deal. This country's got some serious problems with "free speach" if stuff like this gets banned at a particular resort.

**castlerock** · 10-16-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by shadyjay

Ya know, maybe I'll go out and buy one and ride it this year.

Its a freakin board, people! I don't see the big deal. This country's got some serious problems with "free speach" if stuff like this gets banned at a particular resort.

Call me after your first child turns 4...

**notorious** · 10-16-2008, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by castlerock

Originally Posted by shadyjay

Ya know, maybe I'll go out and buy one and ride it this year.

Its a freakin board, people! I don't see the big deal. This country's got some serious problems with "free speach" if stuff like this gets banned at a particular resort.

Call me after your first child turns 4...

that a nude skiing day would be a problem for you. Too bad. It would sure help the Bush viral marketing campaign.

**labwab198** · 10-16-2008, 01:45 PM

I agree with CR and Tin. I think Win's problem is probably First Amendment issues since the resort is on National Forest Land. That being said though I wonder if you could limit where the boards are seen. Perhaps you could argue that since Burton thinks the boards are so graphic that they should be sold in black wrappers that no Nudie Board could be left in any public area (like a ski rack) without being covered up. And then you enforce it by having staff bring those unattended boards to the Guest Services desk. You might not be able to ban them but you might be able to make it very inconvenient for someone to use one.

Unfortunately Burton has put the resort operators in a very bad positon. Through no fault of their own the operators are going to bear the brunt of peeople's displeasure with these boards. Perhaps everyones anger should be directed at Burton in a way that hurts their bottom line. Thats the only kind of message they will understand.

**Last Tracks** · 10-16-2008, 02:08 PM

Burton should sell leather or vinyl covers that responsible boarders could use to cover up the rude parts. They could attach to the board with small strings.

**shadyjay** · 10-16-2008, 02:13 PM

I'm officially bowing out of this thread .... before I go on a rant.

See y'all at the mountain soon... with my plain old Rome board.

**win** · 10-16-2008, 02:14 PM

Operataing on USFS land does create a different set of circumstances than if one is operating on private land. That said, we can and will control inappropriate behavior. So far I think we are the only resort that has commented on this subject. Maybe others will too!

**madhavok** · 10-16-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by win

Operataing on USFS land does create a different set of circumstances than if one is operating on private land. That said, we can and will control inappropriate behavior. So far I think we are the only resort that has commented on this subject. Maybe others will too!

Well said!

**djd66** · 10-16-2008, 02:57 PM

How do you know when it pornography? You know it when you see it.

Here a link I found showing the boards: http://www.tactics.com/burton/coalit...board?src=gglb

Again - if this is free speach, what is the message? i want to be able to expalain the message to my 4 yo daughter.

**HowieT2** · 10-16-2008, 03:13 PM

Does the fact that some land is leased from the government afford additional speech protections? I'm asking because I don't know the answer. Even assuming it does, I doubt that this would fall under the category of political speech and therefore even if the government was involved, banning or limiting the display would be permissible. Perhaps VT has constitutional protections which are more extensive than the US, but I think the resort would be well within it's right to ban or limit the public display.

That being said, could someone post a picture of what the boards look like. The government (as opposed to a private entity) would be able to ban it if it is considered "obscene" which one can only judge by seeing it.

**Yard Sale** · 10-16-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by djd66

How do you know when it pornography? You know it when you see it.

Here a link I found showing the boards: http://www.tactics.com/burton/coalit...board?src=gglb

Again - if this is free speach, what is the message? i want to be able to expalain the message to my 4 yo daughter.

Well, as I think of my 4 daughters, I think the message might be that person standing on that board over there is an idiot desperate for attention, deserves a dope slap and should have his ticket pulled. (Pardon my free speech.)

**castlerock** · 10-16-2008, 03:17 PM

Seriously, I can't wait for this confrontation. I'll line up every blazer parent, and make the board owner run the gauntlet.

Skiing is a public sport, and participants must adhere to public decency mores. You can't make billboard like that, you can't put that on public broadcast TV. You can't sell that uncovered in a magazine. What makes Burton think you can display it at a ski area. I don't get it

**HowieT2** · 10-16-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by castlerock

Seriously, I can't wait for this confrontation. I'll line up every blazer parent, and make the board owner run the gauntlet.

Skiing is a public sport, and participants must adhere to public decency mores. You can't make billboard like that, you can't put that on public broadcast TV. You can't sell that uncovered in a magazine. What makes Burton think you can display it at a ski area. I don't get it

I'm a blazer parent and I agree that it is inappropriate and shouldn't be allowed at the mountain. However, I don't know that the govt. would be able to censor it. I don't think it would be considered obscene. They definitely cut it close but I think we see similar things on TV now.

What don't you get? this is great marketing for Burton. They're not looking to score points with the likes of us (parents, older folk).