Bag Storage in the GH Lodge

[MntMan4Bush]

I can't remember if I've ever been to Ragged. I've certainly seen plenty of lodges that have qualities I've liked and would like to have SB emulate, but they're coming aournd. In time we'll get there. I guess it's a growing process.

TW - Nice one. I think that space is not employee space though, but actual changing rooms with closing doors so you can toss on your long johns or something without giving everyone a free show. (For the record I always used to tip for a show). I usually just grab my stuff and stand next to the wall by the shop and switch boots and stuff. I don't like going in there because I have Agoraphobia (fear of wide open spaces ). In any case I think before it didn't seem like we needed a bigger room because evryone, myself included, would just change up stairs and leave my stuff under a table or against the wall. There was always plenty of room to change and at the end of the day I could grab a beer and sit there and take my boots off. Now we have eneryone cramming into the same space at the same times of day. Last weekend I just grabbed my boots and headed over to timbers and took them off at my table. Not ideal, but I had 12 less elbows and errant boots to the head. It almost seems though like the entire wall of the building for the bottom floor needs to come out about 30 feet to add room for changing and CR Pub. Throw a deck on top, wheel out a mini bar on Saturdays fire up the heat lanterns and crank the jams up.

[Lostone]

Speaking of the latter, whatever that employee only room is in between the Guest Services desk and the boot changing room - it should have a half life not unlike a rare isotope of Plutonium and be folded into the bag/boot changing area.

Not sure what room you are referring to. Are you referring to the room behind the desk? That is the Guest Services office. Trust me. It is not a spacious area, and is necessary.

If you are referring to another room, I'd like to know where. There is only a wall between the storage room and the Guest Services desk.

Actually, the best solution for the storage area is not to change there. Change in the cafeteria, and drop your bags in the storage area before you head out. It works.

[MntMan4Bush]

The space I was referring to was not the guest services office, but aren't there also several rooms along that wall with doors where people can change or have I been too hung over every morning and totally misinterpretted what I saw? Bear in mind that is always a possibility.

I've tried the caf change idea before and it does work depending on the time of day it's done. I guess the point though is if you're going to have a changing area what's the point if it's not big enough and every one needs to change elsewhere. Might as well just put cubbies along the wall and have it be an extension of the CR Pub.

Of course I've gotten off track a bit talking just about teh changing area. The point of the thread I think was to rate the new SB changes and I still think that overall it is pretty good and looks like it will only get beter. We just need to keep encouraging the changes that take place and making recommendations for changes to improve.

[Tin Woodsman]

Speaking of the latter, whatever that employee only room is in between the Guest Services desk and the boot changing room - it should have a half life not unlike a rare isotope of Plutonium and be folded into the bag/boot changing area.

Not sure what room you are referring to. Are you referring to the room behind the desk? That is the Guest Services office. Trust me. It is not a spacious area, and is necessary.

If you are referring to another room, I'd like to know where. There is only a wall between the storage room and the Guest Services desk.

Actually, the best solution for the storage area is not to change there. Change in the cafeteria, and drop your bags in the storage area before you head out. It works.

Jim -

When you walk into the changing room from the Information Desk (i.e coming from the CR Pub direction), you've got a wall with boot heaters on it to your right. The majority of the troom unfolds to your left. If you keep walking straight ahead in the same direction, you end up intersecting another short hallway coming from the right - near where the ticket desk is (aha, as I type this, I realize I should have said Ticket Desk and not Guest Services/Info). The wall on which those boot heaters are mounted separates the changing room from a small Employees Only room that lies between the changing room and the Ticket Desk. Whatever that room is and whatever function it has needs to be removed so that SB can enlarge the changing room - probably by a good 50%. It would also allow for easier access/egress for that room - the hallways in and out tend to get jammed up. Make better sense now?

[Lostone]

Yep, and that was what I had thought you were talking about.

If you follow that wall back to the lobby, you'll find the elevator, just beyond the door you are talking about. the room you are talking about contains the controls for said elevator.

(Actually, that is not what I had originally thought. Someone mentioned the post today, before I had seen it, and we wandered over to see what you might have been talking about. I thought he was referring to an older post.)

So I guess the upshot of all those words is that the room's half life has just been greatly increased.

[Tin Woodsman]

Yep, and that was what I had thought you were talking about.

If you follow that wall back to the lobby, you'll find the elevator, just beyond the door you are talking about. the room you are talking about contains the controls for said elevator.

So I guess the upshot of all those words is that the room's half life has just been greatly increased.

Oy. You ain't kiddin'. Well, there goes that idea.

[Strat]

Isn't there still a bit of a question as to what there is in the other side of the lodge (on both floors)? Especially the downstairs, the footprint of the building is too large for there not to be a lot more space in there....

[Lostone]

That is what I thought Tin meant!

I really don't know what that area is for.

I believe most of the bottom is food storage, and the top, storage and kitchen area.

I'm sure the bag area is being looked at, with an eye toward making things better. Bags around the cafeteria was one of the leading complaints, for years.


My own belief is, as stated above, that you should change where there is room, and just bring your bags down.

[random_ski_guy]

In the entry ways of the Gate House you will find a building floor plan which appears to be installed for fire code purposes. I took a good look at the plan, much of the mystery space on the north side is kitchen prep space; both upper and lower. It appears to be generous amount kitchen space...but I am no judge of what is appropriate.

[win]

Food storage both dry and cold for Gate House eateries and Timbers, utility room and some office space. The Prep kitchen for Timbers is also in the Gate House.

[Tin Woodsman]

Food storage both dry and cold for Gate House eateries and Timbers, utility room and some office space. The Prep kitchen for Timbers is also in the Gate House.

Does the construction of the Guest Services Lodge offer you any opportunities to move some of this space out of the GH Lodge? Even if not, has the possibility of expanding the boot/bag storage area been discussed in any level of detail? I understand you want to keep bags out of the upper level. I think it's silly, but I'm just one person. But expecting to modify human behavior such that people will, step by step, go upstairs to change, take their bags downstairs to store, then proceed out to go skiing, and vice versa when they leave - that's just crazy talk. We (humans) just don't work that way in a uniform basis, even if it might make more sense to do so. The upshot, if you continue to insist on no bags upstairs, is that the bag room is going to continue to be really, really crowded and annoying.

BTW, this thread is great, but it's drifted away from its intended purpose, so I'm going to attempt to split it out.

[random_ski_guy]

Food storage both dry and cold for Gate House eateries and Timbers, utility room and some office space. The Prep kitchen for Timbers is also in the Gate House.

Food Prep for Timber's in the Gatehouse...interesting.

[skigal]

I actually like the no bag left behind system. Don't have to move out the way while people look for their shoes and bags while I'm eating or taking off my boots. Don't have bags practically falling on me as people retrieve them from racks that are above my head. Yeah, I like it.

I don't actually use the boot room other than to drop off my back pack. Arrive at mountain, boot up upstairs, drop off pack on my way out. Reverse at the end of the day. I did pretty much the same thing in the old Gatehouse, storing my pack in the tent.

[Tin Woodsman]

I actually like the no bag left behind system. Don't have to move out the way while people look for their shoes and bags while I'm eating or taking off my boots. Don't have bags practically falling on me as people retrieve them from racks that are above my head. Yeah, I like it.

I don't actually use the boot room other than to drop off my back pack. Arrive at mountain, boot up upstairs, drop off pack on my way out. Reverse at the end of the day. I did pretty much the same thing in the old Gatehouse, storing my pack in the tent.

Which is great....for you. I suspect that the vast majority of SB customers didn't have this routine in place. Teaching it to them will be a long, slow, painful process. And even storing your stuff in the tent wasn't really what that space was intended for. It was supposed to be stored downstairs once they moved the Blazers etc... out of there. In short, you were still storing things in the cafeteria area, you were just doing it in a more remote part. That would be akin to storing your stuff in the narrow side room next to the cafeteria exit in the new lodge.

[aejkb]

The bag area debacle is amazing to me; after all that planning and money went in to the building , how could they screw up something as basic as making the changing/bag area a tiny 7th circle of hell. If you are a new visitor and prospective season ticket holder to Sugarbush and have to deal with that, I can't imagine that it would leave a favorable first impression; there is no room to change, or you get hit in the head if you are lucky enough to find a bench. There is not enough storage space after you figure out that you need to change upstairs and then bring bags down, and if you can find space, because there is such little floor space, everyone puts their wet boots on the shelf above your bag. Plus the whole experience makes for a horrible start to your morning --with tempers flaring at your fellow skiers and the hall monitors yelling at everyone, while PA system is screaming about not leaving bags upstairs. Someone should be drawn and quartered.