What part of "refrain from personal attacks" are we having trouble understanding?

I don't want to lock a thread that has some intelligent responses, but I can, if needed. Please try to keep to the thread.




Thanx for your support.

Though I understand the motivation for doing so, from a tree skier's perspective, I am saddened to see this come to pass. The "new" lines will inevitably be relatively well-known ones that already exit off-map, be it Orchard, Bear Claw, Epstein's, etc... Maybe it will draw more traffic to those lines instead of other shots, but I doubt it. Those lines will become the tracked-out wastelands that are Lew's Line, Egan's Woods and Deeper Sleeper.

win wrote:

We had a site visit with the Forest Service and I think we are making progress to add some more at both LP and ME by next season. We will post everyone as soon as we can. One thing that is really important. There must be no unauthorized trimming or cutting on their land or they will end their permission to ski in the trees. We and they take this very seriously. You may have heard what happened at Jay. By working with our land lords properly we will continue to provide new and exciting opportunities for on map tree skiing.

This doesn't sound like "thinning" existing stash and adding it to the map. This sounds like creating new areas. Places where skiers have not been able to access because of overgrowth. Please tell me I'm right. I don't want to advertise stashes. I'm still finding them. ; }

I'm pretty sure the mountain isn't going to add any of the well known but unofficial trails (Bear Claw, Orchard etc.) I think the plan is to cut new lines and as far as I know they plan to check with folks to be sure they aren't trashing someone's stash. Keep in mind who will be cutting. These are not flatlanders. They know the mountain and the skiers. I'm sure they'll ask if they have any doubts about sections of woods. (Right?)

Also, in my experience, I've never had a section of woods ruined by the mountain. On the other hand, there are lines that I enjoyed for years until some f*cknutz with a saw and loppers went and cut a big wide entrance or hacked a bunch of pine trees so that everyone and their brother can now slide right in regardless of skill level. Some people seem to think that there must be no way to get into a particular glade unless they cut one.

Hardbooter wrote:

I'm pretty sure the mountain isn't going to add any of the well known but unofficial trails (Bear Claw, Orchard etc.) I think the plan is to cut new lines and as far as I know they plan to check with folks to be sure they aren't trashing someone's stash. Keep in mind who will be cutting. These are not flatlanders. They know the mountain and the skiers. I'm sure they'll ask if they have any doubts about sections of woods. (Right?) Also, in my experience, I've never had a section of woods ruined by the mountain. On the other hand, there are lines that I enjoyed for years until some f*cknutz with a saw and loppers went and cut a big wide entrance or hacked a bunch of pine trees so that everyone and their brother can now slide right in regardless of skill level. Some people seem to think that there must be no way to get into a particular glade unless they cut one.

As a practical matter, where would they go? In my experience, there aren't many places with pitch that don't already have a line or three threading through them. While I have all the faith in the world in the people who will be doing the cutting, their hands will be somewhat tied, no? If you are going to thin out the woods, you are certainly going to mention//market it to your customers. That means that there must be a reasonable level of access (i.e. we're not talking about the backside or something silly like Bradley Brook). anything that's reasonably accessible within the confines of SB's permit area/land holdings has already been thinned. I'm not optimistic.

Also, on your second point, I would beg to differ somewhat. Many of the woods shots at North used to get a LOT less traffic before they were thinned and brought onto the map a few years back.

Alright, I'm going to stir the pot by saying that cut or not cut, on the map or not, by and large the woods I have skied at SB are way more tracked out than at other places where I have skied woods. There have been a couple exceptions, but by and large there is just a lot more traffic. LP is the only place I have ever skied where the trails are already skied out on a powder day by 845am. Unreal.

OK, you're right about those woods at north. They did a nice job of cutting them though. I guess I just don't go in there much anymore since they get hammered. At the same time they cut a bunch of lines that were new to me (at least I never bothered to ski semi-tough woods until they cut it.)

I understand your point about trying to fit new lines into places that we all ski but there are some places that are such a mess that we only ski them with lots of snow anyhow. These places could use some cutting. Have you ever skied murphy's law? A little cutting would be fine with me. Also, there are places where there is room for more bands in between the existing ones. People might ski that stuff now but it's not good skiing. It's just ski-able.

I guess you're right that there is a lot of room for error with new cutting. If they don't check with people, or the right people then a lot could go wrong. Hey wait, maybe they should just read down the list on treeskier's shirt and if it's not on there then it's ok to cut. Boy, that was close. It's a good thing someone made a list.

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LP is the only place I have ever skied where the trails are already skied out on a powder day by 845am.

This is why we ski the woods. There are plenty of spots that will still be untracked a few days after a storm. Although, these spots are a lot harder to find than they were just a few years ago.

summitchallenger wrote:

Alright, I'm going to stir the pot by saying that cut or not cut, on the map or not, by and large the woods I have skied at SB are way more tracked out than at other places where I have skied woods. There have been a couple exceptions, but by and large there is just a lot more traffic. LP is the only place I have ever skied where the trails are already skied out on a powder day by 845am. Unreal.

We're lucky, try finding powder at 8:45am at Stowe. They get the lifts rolling at 7/7:30 so by 9 people are already getting OFF the hill because it's tracked out.
Personally I would have to give up coffee for the winter if I ever wanted to ski pow there, at least on the trails.

summitchallenger wrote:

LP is the only place I have ever skied where the trails are already skied out on a powder day by 845am. Unreal.

Aw, come on summit, I thought you skied k-mart once (ok, never want to admit that publicly)

For those of us that ski the woods, more woods on the map stinks No getting around that.
But I understand why the resort does it. If it's on the map they can market it to general public that wouldn't otherwise realize it's there. It is a business. Still a bummer for all of us here through

I guess this is where I should apologize for tracking out freshies as soon as they let me, but...



Nope! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Lostone wrote:

I guess this is where I should apologize for tracking out freshies as soon as they let me, but... Nope!

Never think of apologizing for getting first tracks - thats the goal

P.S. I thought I was bad posting at 9:50 on a Fri

Are you saying that I don't... have a life?

Well, you're probably right, but so far, I'm feeling ok about it.

8:45??? seems to me with the CR and HG lifts not even running until 9, there b plenty of freshies way past then.

as for the on map woods. not good for us folk who ski there anyway but similar to the mtn getting more popular in general. It would be great to keep it to ourselves, but I think everyone understands that increased skier visits are necessary for the good of the resort, the people who work there and the entire valley communityas long as it's done in a way that is sustainable in the long term.

Benski wrote:

8:45??? seems to me with the CR and HG lifts not even running until 9, there b plenty of freshies way past then. as for the on map woods. not good for us folk who ski there anyway but similar to the mtn getting more popular in general. It would be great to keep it to ourselves, but I think everyone understands that increased skier visits are necessary for the good of the resort, the people who work there and the entire valley communityas long as it's done in a way that is sustainable in the long term.

Just noticed that I posted the above under my son's screen name. sorry.