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09-10-2010, 11:48 AM
Wow. Looks like a summer of drama over here. Haven't visited much lately. In fact, I haven't been all that active over on AZ either. Just too much going on with family, job, life in general.

Anyway, I don't have the time nor desire to read through all these posts, threads, etc. to try and digest all of this. I will say that since this boards inception in 2005, Lostone and Tin Woodsman have been doing a good job as far as I can tell. I've been running skiing forums for a long time, and I know that a mod's duty is hardly ever appreciated. It's also VERY easy to claim over-moderation, censorship, etc., etc., etc. I hear it about AZ all the time. The reality is we're pretty tolerant, and I believe usually strike a reasonable balance of keeping things civil while letting folks express themselves and their opinions. We never ban anyone without careful consideration and numerous chances. Nevertheless, some people have some sort of complex and love to play the victim. Often times this type of drama occurs during the summer on skiing forums. Go figure.

And after doing this for so long, there is only one thing that is certain: You can never please everybody.

Nevertheless, I'm willing to take into consideration some of the criticism of how this forum is being moderated and structured (hasn't really changed much in many years). With that said, please feel free to PM me a SHORT Cliff Notes version of what the concerns here are. Perhaps include 2 or 3 examples (links to posts/threads) to substantiate your opinion. Please don't get all wordy on me. Again, I don't have the time to read some long dissertation, but if there are real issues, it shouldn't take long to direct me to a handful of specific posts and threads. I'm more than happy to listen to members' concerns and will take action if I think any is needed.

And remember, ski season is not that far away...

09-10-2010, 11:56 AM
Digging a little deeper into this, it seems that one of the biggest criticisms is when posts are moved to a different forum. Please tell me there is more to all this dissension than that. Cuz that's a pretty silly thing to get worked up about. :roll:

09-10-2010, 12:17 PM
Digging a little deeper into this, it seems that one of the biggest criticisms is when posts are moved to a different forum. Please tell me there is more to all this dissension than that. Cuz that's a pretty silly thing to get worked up about. :roll:

Well, that indeed looks like the root of the problem. I went ahead and squashed a bunch of forums. We now how Skiing (SB, MRG, and anything skiing related), Misc (everything else), MRV (non-skiing related stuff specific to the MRV) and Help/Feedback. Hope this is satisfactory. Now don't get all whiney if your "what I ate for lunch" thread is moved from Skiing to Misc....

09-10-2010, 12:26 PM
Now don't get all whiney if your "what I ate for lunch" thread is moved from Skiing to Misc....

Unless of course you ate lunch in the Castlerock warming hut. We might be totally dumbfounded about what to do then... :lol:

atkinson
09-10-2010, 12:52 PM
Thank you for your consideration Greg. The heavy-handed moderating was an issue, but not the only one. It was also distressing being told several times by LO that our contributions don't matter and that as soon as a few jerks are gone (namely me and some others), everything will be fine. I am totally willing to forgive and forget, but don't just chaulk this whole thing up to some post moving.

John

09-10-2010, 01:14 PM
Thank you for your consideration Greg. The heavy-handed moderating was an issue, but not the only one. It was also distressing being told several times by LO that our contributions don't matter and that as soon as a few jerks are gone (namely me and some others), everything will be fine. I am totally willing to forgive and forget, but don't just chaulk this whole thing up to some post moving.

John

Well, in Lostone's defense, one of the things I did see in my limited time trying to figure all this out was a fair amount of "baiting". Perhaps the post moving was the root of the issue, but then it seemed to spiral out of control after that.

Let's just all move on and try to remain civil towards each other. The love of the sport and the region is what brings you all together. Let's keep that in perspective.

vonski
09-10-2010, 01:21 PM
Considering see the end result of this, I really hope no one got banned. I like the combining of the forums and it certainly will simplify things. There are already to many rules in life. When I come here I just want to interact, read and enjoy other folks posts. I don't want to worry if I do post something that I might be trolling if i put it in the wrong place. Although, some threatened with being banned may not always post properly or kindly. They generally make me laugh no matter what is being posted. I personally have not had any problems and this certainly should prevent any by me or any others in the future! So lets get the stoke back on here! :D

gone.skiing
09-10-2010, 01:32 PM
I did see in my limited time trying to figure all this out was a fair amount of "baiting".

I doubt Atkinson has done any baiting since 3rd grade... Thanks for corrections, Greg.

09-10-2010, 02:11 PM
Considering see the end result of this, I really hope no one got banned. I like the combining of the forums and it certainly will simplify things. There are already to many rules in life. When I come here I just want to interact, read and enjoy other folks posts. I don't want to worry if I do post something that I might be trolling if i put it in the wrong place. Although, some threatened with being banned may not always post properly or kindly. They generally make me laugh no matter what is being posted. I personally have not had any problems and this certainly should prevent any by me or any others in the future! So lets get the stoke back on here! :D

Points taken. However, this all goes back to my point of not being able to please everyone. For as much as you dislike structure, rules, etc., there is likely someone else that prefers all that. Moderation is also a tricky balance sometimes. The only other option is fully unmoderated, and while some people prefer that, I would say it's not appropriate here.

Anyway, let's look at this as a clean slate. 2010-11!

09-10-2010, 02:14 PM
I did see in my limited time trying to figure all this out was a fair amount of "baiting".

I doubt Atkinson has done any baiting since 3rd grade...

I wasn't insinuating anyone in particular, but there was most certainly "let's test the moderator's patience" theme going on.


Thanks for corrections, Greg.

You're welcome. I probably could have solved this whole thing a lot sooner. The mods actually suggested combining forums back in the spring. Just never got around to it until now.

barkbiter
09-10-2010, 03:59 PM
Barkbiter lives ?

mattlucas
09-10-2010, 05:53 PM
Locking threads is as silly as banning contributing users.

Is gone.skiing, gone?

Nice work on combining the forums, hopefully that will make the site move a little more. Thanks.

HowieT2
09-10-2010, 09:31 PM
Koombaya?

Tin Woodsman
09-10-2010, 09:37 PM
Thank you for your consideration Greg. The heavy-handed moderating was an issue, but not the only one. It was also distressing being told several times by LO that our contributions don't matter and that as soon as a few jerks are gone (namely me and some others), everything will be fine. I am totally willing to forgive and forget, but don't just chaulk this whole thing up to some post moving.

John
John -

I'm sorry but that's revisionist history. This all started with Lostone moving threads to what was then the appropriate place. A few people disagreed with it vehemently and we were off to the races. You have always striven to post stoke, and I certainly appreciate that, but some of your cohorts here have done nothing but bait, troll and hurl insults at anyone who disagrees with them. If Lostone said some things that rubbed you the wrong way, I think it's nothing more than a man reaching a point where he can't take anymore. As he said many times - he didn't get paid for this and it was quite the thankless task. The constant agitation b/c of some moved posts was completely over the top, unnecessary and mostly just mean spirited.

barkbiter
09-10-2010, 09:55 PM
Thank you for your consideration Greg. The heavy-handed moderating was an issue, but not the only one. It was also distressing being told several times by LO that our contributions don't matter and that as soon as a few jerks are gone (namely me and some others), everything will be fine. I am totally willing to forgive and forget, but don't just chaulk this whole thing up to some post moving.

John
John -

I'm sorry but that's revisionist history. This all started with Lostone moving threads to what was then the appropriate place. A few people disagreed with it vehemently and we were off to the races. You have always striven to post stoke, and I certainly appreciate that, but some of your cohorts here have done nothing but bait, troll and hurl insults at anyone who disagrees with them. If Lostone said some things that rubbed you the wrong way, I think it's nothing more than a man reaching a point where he can't take anymore. As he said many times - he didn't get paid for this and it was quite the thankless task. The constant agitation b/c of some moved posts was completely over the top, unnecessary and mostly just mean spirited.

I'm sorry Tin Woodie, quite a bit of revisionist history yourself there. You and Losty just gotta have the last nasty word. Both of you have tossed out just as many insults and mean spirited posts as anyone. You want everyone else to stop, but you guys still want to pass out your bs. That's moderating ?
And how many times are you guys gonna drag out the old don't get paid and it's thankless work line ? What's wrong with you ? I wouldn't do any work even if I was paid good money if that's how I felt about it.
A man just can't take it any more so he acts out inappropriately ? And that's ok why ?
Even now, you can't let it go without tossing out more bs. And you won't like me not agreeing with you. Jeez, just go ahead and ban me like the two of you want to do ! Please ! Put us all out of your misery . That will make you guys right and it will all be ok .

Tin Woodsman
09-10-2010, 10:11 PM
Thank you for your consideration Greg. The heavy-handed moderating was an issue, but not the only one. It was also distressing being told several times by LO that our contributions don't matter and that as soon as a few jerks are gone (namely me and some others), everything will be fine. I am totally willing to forgive and forget, but don't just chaulk this whole thing up to some post moving.

John
John -

I'm sorry but that's revisionist history. This all started with Lostone moving threads to what was then the appropriate place. A few people disagreed with it vehemently and we were off to the races. You have always striven to post stoke, and I certainly appreciate that, but some of your cohorts here have done nothing but bait, troll and hurl insults at anyone who disagrees with them. If Lostone said some things that rubbed you the wrong way, I think it's nothing more than a man reaching a point where he can't take anymore. As he said many times - he didn't get paid for this and it was quite the thankless task. The constant agitation b/c of some moved posts was completely over the top, unnecessary and mostly just mean spirited.

I'm sorry Tin Woodie, quite a bit of revisionist history yourself there. You and Losty just gotta have the last nasty word. Both of you have tossed out just as many insults and mean spirited posts as anyone. You want everyone else to stop, but you guys still want to pass out your bs. That's moderating ?
And how many times are you guys gonna drag out the old don't get paid and it's thankless work line ? What's wrong with you ? I wouldn't do any work even if I was paid good money if that's how I felt about it.
A man just can't take it any more so he acts out inappropriately ? And that's ok why ?
Even now, you can't let it go without tossing out more bs. And you won't like me not agreeing with you. Jeez, just go ahead and ban me like the two of you want to do ! Please ! Put us all out of your misery . That will make you guys right and it will all be ok .

bb - you've added nothing here but gratuitous insults and trolling. While at times I haven't showered myself in glory here, I feel pretty good about my signal to noise ratio, whereas you've been all noise.

As mentioned in the troll thread that notorious started in the Skiing forum, the authors of these types of threads/posts going forward will be banned after one warning.

ScoobySnack
09-10-2010, 10:21 PM
For what it's worth, I have found this site to be very useful and enjoyable, and appreciate the efforts of the moderators as well as most posters.

barkbiter
09-10-2010, 10:48 PM
Nyah nyah nyah tin woodless, all you've added is hypocrisy. you've added nothing yourself. gratuitous insults and trolling done by moderators doesn't make it better.
toss out some more threats to more people. ban more people ! great moderating jobs, both of you !!!
so just stop the threats. ban like you like you really want to. ban me for using the same exact words you do, just like the hypocrisy moment you wonderful geniuses had the last time. stir up the fire some more and then blame everyone else for it.

09-11-2010, 09:48 AM
toss out some more threats to more people. ban more people ! great moderating jobs, both of you !!!
so just stop the threats. ban like you like you really want to. ban me for using the same exact words you do, just like the hypocrisy moment you wonderful geniuses had the last time. stir up the fire some more and then blame everyone else for it.

I'm the only one that can ban people. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now. Can we all just let this go now?

gone.skiing
09-11-2010, 10:05 AM
Greg, I am curious why you are quoting bb's response and not TW's post that started yet another exchange... Everything was going swimmingly until TW had to go and bust on atkinson and the rest of "minority" again in 2 threads.

barkbiter
09-11-2010, 10:13 AM
No thanks to your generous offer of "Benefit of doubt". If you'd like it toned down a bit perhaps the name calling and trash talking of the so-called moderators is a good place to start. I'm not regretful of any of my posts. If a few wisecracks and some disagreement are just too much perhaps you guys shouldn't be running and open forum.
Oh but I guess it's not an open forum.
It's mostly the Lostone and Tin Woodie show.
For anyone who's still interested or amused, go to the memberlist, click on number of posts, descending.
The board is dominated by our 2 heroes.
For the amusement part, click on my name, the early days. Also notice, no threats no censoring no teeth gnashing anger no awful posts requiring expulsion. Excuse me for not wanting to live in the Losty/Woodie world

09-11-2010, 10:21 AM
No thanks to your generous offer of "Benefit of doubt". If you'd like it toned down a bit perhaps the name calling and trash talking of the so-called moderators is a good place to start. I'm not regretful of any of my posts. If a few wisecracks and some disagreement are just too much perhaps you guys shouldn't be running and open forum.
Oh but I guess it's not an open forum.
It's mostly the Lostone and Tin Woodie show.
For anyone who's still interested or amused, go to the memberlist, click on number of posts, descending.
The board is dominated by our 2 heroes.
For the amusement part, click on my name, the early days. Also notice, no threats no censoring no teeth gnashing anger no awful posts requiring expulsion. Excuse me for not wanting to live in the Losty/Woodie world

I did take a look at a few of your earlier posts and it seems like you've been a bit of an antagonist since the beginning. It's not an "open" forum and the policies are very clear:

http://forums.skimrv.com/viewtopic.php?t=37

Note especially the point about "trolling". Again, I've been running forums for over 10 years, and my goal has always been to provide places where anyone can feel comfortable participating. We're not asking a lot, and if you can't abide by those simple guidelines, you're not welcome here. Apparently, you don't really care, and if you don't like it here, nobody is forcing you to read or post.

barkbiter
09-11-2010, 10:51 AM
And you sir, don't need to re post the rules for me. Hmmm, where is antagonism listed in there ? I'll type whatever I feel like on my keyboard here. Of course there is no open forum here !! Name calling and antagonism by woodless seems ok. Bashing everyone and Sugarbush seems ok, Dawn Patrol was never busted. Have your little snowmaking debates. Ban me or don't ! Just don't think you guys will keep correcting me and I'll shut up. If your Statues of Rules and your 10 years of experience (wow) demand it then be a man of principle do it. At the same time you might think about renaming the Site Feedback forum. Such awful trolling. :( it must be stopped now.