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HowieT2
02-27-2007, 03:02 PM
My biggest complaint from my week, is that the skiing was so good, that I skied 7 days in a row (830-4:00) and left totally exhausted. And there was still so much more to ski. The conditions are really incredibly good.

Other comments- I had a friend up who used to ski k-mart. He was impressed with the friendliness of everyone at the mountain, not to mention the terrain.

I had two good experiences eating at Timbers, one lunch, one dinner, although I heard others complaining about the service delays.

The CR pub is great, but it would be nice if they had a more extensive menu so you could have dinner there.

The GH lodge is obviously a great improvement but it gets crowded during lunch. I think someone previously suggested benches to replace the plastic arm chairs. I'm not a seating specialist but it does seem that those chairs take up too much room. My wife was ecstatic about the quality of the food and the extensive choices.

The kids adventure camp is amazing. Much thanks to John Atkinson and my son's leader Andy, who was great. My son was so pumped he didn't complain about his cough, which turns out to be walking pneumonia.

In summary, I knew it was a good vacation when my daughter (6 yr old) told me she wants to go to ski school instead of regular school and my wife greeted me at the office yesterday with links to real estate listings on the web. Thank you all.

Oh yeah one last complaint- I have skied 13 days at SB this year (not bad for someone cruising from NY) and I have failed to secure a single croissant from the Warren Store. Bummer.
:P

madhavok
02-27-2007, 04:09 PM
Skiing was great this weekend. I thought the snow on Birch Run was awesome. The moguls on Twist were great. Parts of Slidebrook that weren't skied yet were crazy good.

My only problem was Saturday. This one really bothers me. I don't care that the lines were long. I don't care North was down on wind hold.
My problem was ski lessons, ski racers cutting the lines. I didn't get that many runs in on Saturday, no big deal. But at least 3 times after waiting on a ridiculous line I had a whole ski school class, or some MRV racers ski right down, not wait even a minute, and then they cut right in front of you. WTF.

The worst was waiting on the Valley house. I'm standing online at least 20 minutes. The valley house is spinning but supposedly according to the lift workers they are having a problem getting someone man the top of the lift. Odd but no biggy. So I'm standing in the middle of line for twenty minutes then they starting letting us on. Great. Ten minutes later I'm getting close to getting on the lift and I see them skiing over. Ski school. Do you mind if my class just cuts in front of you? Me not looking to get into it whatever go ahead. But seriously why don't I get respect. I paid for my lift ticket just like everyone else.

Later in the day I was sticking to the North Lynx. A long line, not as bad as valley house, and these two guys wearing green MRV ski jackets just ski down Birch run and ski right in front of me so there next on the lift. I don't get it, why can't they wait online, or at least wait 5 or 10 minutes? Who can I complain to about this because it really bothers me?

othripper
02-27-2007, 04:37 PM
Mr. Monkey,

Put down the gun, take off the mask, and perhaps the nice man will answer your questions.

Mike

skigal
02-27-2007, 06:37 PM
I think the guys in the green jackets were probably from GMVS. I don't know what their privleges are at South since they have a contracted relationship with Sugarbush. Regarding the ski school...the students there are paying an additional sum on top of the their lift ticket. The cost varies depending on whether it is a private, group, or seasonal program but in any case, you are talking real money. Obvisiously the ski school can not be successful if students spent their lesson time waiting in line. If that were the case no one would take a lesson (and not learn all the skills taught by the great instructors at Sugarbush). There is certain protocol that most instructors do follow and that includes alternating students with those who have waited in line and absolutely no special privileges on Castlerock except for privates.

madhavok
02-27-2007, 07:07 PM
I think the guys in the green jackets were probably from GMVS. I don't know what their privleges are at South since they have a contracted relationship with Sugarbush. Regarding the ski school...the students there are paying an additional sum on top of the their lift ticket. The cost varies depending on whether it is a private, group, or seasonal program but in any case, you are talking real money. Obvisiously the ski school can not be successful if students spent their lesson time waiting in line. If that were the case no one would take a lesson (and not learn all the skills taught by the great instructors at Sugarbush). There is certain protocol that most instructors do follow and that includes alternating students with those who have waited in line and absolutely no special privileges on Castlerock except for privates.

I understand what you are saying. True people do pay additional for ski lessons, but there are many things people pay more for. Not everyone pays the same tickets price, there are equipment rentals, lodging rentals, dinner, drinks and etc... Surely just because you pay for a ski lesson it doesn't mean you are a more valuable customer to Sugarbush.

I’m a road warrior. I’ve skied Sugarbush 7 of the last 8 weekend. Till last Saturday (and I’ve skied Sugarbush 20+ years) I haven’t been bothered by the ski school cutting ahead. What I am talking about is the 2 or 3 ski days where the lines get insane like Saturday was. Some good judgment and a little restraint with privileges would have gone a long way to not insult other patrons. For example, ski school could have gone up the lift as singles, or use the ski school line but only send 1 chair of students up every 4 or 5 chairs. What I’m saying is that it isn’t an everyday problem there should just be a special guideline for instructors and racers for those extreme lift line days.

Also you are right, I did mean the GMVS.

othripper – glad you like my avatar, its pretty funny.

BushMogulMaster
02-27-2007, 07:19 PM
Also you are right, I did mean the GMVS.



I just wish that there didn't have to be rules about that stuff. I wish that people would just have the common courtesy to know when it's ok to cut in line (for example), and when it's not. But then again... that will never happen in this world. Oh well...

It's not necessarily the fact that the racers (specifically) cut in line that I have a problem with. It's the attitude that comes along with some (certainly not all) of them that bothers me... they think they own the mountain, and they simply do not. YES YES YES... they are a crucial part of the operation and the bottom line. No, they're not entitled to whatever the heck they want. On a normal day, I won't complain much about a couple of racers cutting in line. On a busy day, I'm not too pleased. Perhaps if they'd come up and say, "Excuse me, would you please be willing to let me hop in front of you... I'm with the race team." Then, I might respond, "Sure! Have fun!" But instead, many of them either just cut and push and shove their way to the front, or say something rather inconsiderate. It's not just lift lines either... check out the MadBus when ME goes on windhold... they'll shove their way right onto the bus, completely ignoring the fact that about 30 other paying customers were in front of them.

All of that said... remember: I'm not generalizing. I'm just saying that I've personally witnessed some of these racers do this on many, many occasions. I'm not asking for them to be sent to time out; I just expect the same common courtesy and respect that I give every single one of them, no matter how they treat me. Again... I have nothing against racing or GMVS. I do have something against anyone with an entitlement complex who can't seem to muster up the kindness to show some respect.

gottdogg
02-27-2007, 07:24 PM
I was not up this week. Why was Saturday so crowded? Typical President's day week issue or due to Wind holds at North?

freeheel_skier
02-27-2007, 07:30 PM
All of that said... remember: I'm not generalizing. I'm just saying that I've personally witnessed some of these racers do this on many, many occasions. I'm not asking for them to be sent to time out; I just expect the same common courtesy and respect that I give every single one of them, no matter how they treat me. Again... I have nothing against racing or GMVS. I do have something against anyone with an entitlement complex who can't seem to muster up the kindness to show some respect.

I totally agree with this statement.....I spend most of my time @ ME and have run into this attitude before. It is definately a downer :cry:

Strat
02-27-2007, 08:23 PM
Oh the racers are the worst... we've discussed this before I think... not all of them, certainly not, but so many of them have that super elitist attitude that is oh-so-annoying on the mountain... the coaches don't discourage it either...

sugarboarder
02-27-2007, 08:31 PM
I've seen this too. Maybe it's time to remind GMVS they are guests here too. I know the director and he's a stand up guy, as are the coaches and assistants. Like you all said above - it's not ALL of them and not ALL the time...but it may be time to remind SOME of the GMVS kids of how to be professional and courteous to SB's other paying guests. The "I own the mountain" attitude has been growing the last few years and has got to be a little out of control of late. Remember, these are teenagers - they need to be reminded and/or taught how to be adults...it's just normal. If they are cutting in line on North Lynx, that is most likely not right at all, as they are not training up there, as far as I know.

Ski schools cut liftlines everywhere, and always have - and as pointed out above, they need to. As above, maybe some of them need a reminder as to how to go about it in the correct manner.

:D 8)

sugarboarder
02-27-2007, 08:42 PM
Oh the racers are the worst... we've discussed this before I think... not all of them, certainly not, but so many of them have that super elitist attitude that is oh-so-annoying on the mountain... the coaches don't discourage it either...

Strat, I kn ow what you mean, but I don't think it is necessarily just "the racers". It's teenagers in general, even the "Diamond Dogs" kids are not immune. As an example - when I was leaving LP sunday at 2:30pm, there was a group of about 7 or 8 French-Canadian snowboarders at the top of the stairway. They were yelling at somebody in line for the Gatehouse lift, and were COMPLETELY blocking the stairs. As I approached, I said "Excuse me" and nobody moved - I said it again and nobody moved even though several looked right at me. So I just pushed my way through. As I went by one of them sent his board down the stairs in front of me. If a child had been coming up the stairs they would have got it right in the face. The cascade of expletives then turned away from the lift and towards me. I was tempted to throw the board over the rail, or go back up and do the same to the kid who sent it down the stairs, but I was too tired and still somewhat flu-ridden for that kind of BS so I jusat kept walking. The kid with the board came down further and again sent it further down the stairs behind me. I wish Win had been there to see it.

The point is, it's not just GMVS or "racers"...it's testosterone and ego-fueled young men for the most part. A different day and one of these @holes would have been flattened. They are everywhere unfortunately. :x

Still, as I said above, it may be time for SB to issue a "reminder" to GMVS in general about a code of conduct while on the mountain...then all we have to deal with is rowdy French-Canadian snowboarders! :wink:

BushMogulMaster
02-27-2007, 08:44 PM
I've seen this too. Maybe it's time to remind GMVS they are guests here too. I know the director and he's a stand up guy, as are the coaches and assistants. Like you all said above - it's not ALL of them and not ALL the time...but it may be time to remind SOME of the GMVS kids of how to be professional and courteous to SB's other paying guests. The "I own the mountain" attitude has been growing the last few years and has got to be a little out of control of late. Remember, these are teenagers - they need to be reminded and/or taught how to be adults...it's just normal. If they are cutting in line on North Lynx, that is most likely not right at all, as they are not training up there, as far as I know.


You make some great points, sugarboarder. I know many involved as well, and I like them all. It's definitely time for a little reminder for some of the kids. And, also, some of them aren't teenagers... some are quite a bit younger.

Your last comment is very true. If they are cutting in line anywhere other than a lift being used for practice or a race, it's absolutely uncalled for, and they have no more privileges there than anyone else. They should stand right at the back of the line like everyone else.

The whole "entitlement" attitude is what really upsets me.

But that's just one little complaint about a program that seems to have very good results and generally has a great reputation. I just like to get the same respect I give!

BushMogulMaster
02-27-2007, 08:45 PM
then all we have to deal with is rowdy French-Canadian snowboarders! :wink:

:lol:

Strat
02-27-2007, 08:55 PM
Oh the racers are the worst... we've discussed this before I think... not all of them, certainly not, but so many of them have that super elitist attitude that is oh-so-annoying on the mountain... the coaches don't discourage it either...

Strat, I kn ow what you mean, but I don't think it is necessarily just "the racers". It's teenagers in general, even the "Diamond Dogs" kids are not immune. As an example - when I was leaving LP sunday at 2:30pm, there was a group of about 7 or 8 French-Canadian snowboarders at the top of the stairway. They were yelling at somebody in line for the Gatehouse lift, and were COMPLETELY blocking the stairs. As I approached, I said "Excuse me" and nobody moved - I said it again and nobody moved even though several looked right at me. So I just pushed my way through. As I went by one of them sent his board down the stairs in front of me. If a child had been coming up the stairs they would have got it right in the face. The cascade of expletives then turned away from the lift and towards me. I was tempted to throw the board over the rail, or go back up and do the same to the kid who sent it down the stairs, but I was too tired and still somewhat flu-ridden for that kind of BS so I jusat kept walking. The kid with the board came down further and again sent it further down the stairs behind me. I wish Win had been there to see it.

The point is, it's not just GMVS or "racers"...it's testosterone and ego-fueled young men for the most part. A different day and one of these @holes would have been flattened. They are everywhere unfortunately. :x

Still, as I said above, it may be time for SB to issue a "reminder" to GMVS in general about a code of conduct while on the mountain...then all we have to deal with is rowdy French-Canadian snowboarders! :wink:
Well the GMVS kids I've really been bothered by are the 11-13 year old crowd, boys and girls... as for testosterone-fueled young men, I happen to be in this category, and I can certainly vouch for the idiocy of many of my peers... they cannot be corraled though, that's obvious... the predominance of young male tourists who act like idiots is also indisputable... these things are never really going to go away unfortunately... idiots will always be idiots... GMVS, maybe, we can deal with...

HowieT2
02-27-2007, 09:07 PM
Damned kids! :P Let them cut the line and then sit on the lift for an hour with all that damn Red Bull rushing through their veins. :roll: That'll teach them a thing or two.

Lostone
02-27-2007, 09:48 PM
Couple of points.

1) Ski school will always be able to cut lines. It is done at every mountain I've ever seen. At Stratton, they have lessons every weekend, where it seemed the only lesson given was how to avoid lines. :roll: I've generally seen the lift ops rotating the classes in, as opposed to stopping everyone to empty out the lines. But as stated above they are paying for a time limited lesson, where they have to be on the hill to receive instruction.

B) Earlier in the season, I've seen GMVS going thru the lines like everyone else. Not sure how it worked on Saturday, or why. I wasn't out on Saturday. (I needed a rest. :wink: )

III) Also earlier in the season, I've seen a GMVS coach make one of her charges go over to appologize to someone for running over her skis in the liftline. I thought (think) that was good. A little extra politeness works well almost all the time.

d) I agree with the "young kids" theory of excuse for the rudeness. I have, in the past, heard someone complaining about a bunch of snowboarders. I pointed out they would have been a bunch of jerks no matter what they were on. Just goes with the territory. Again, not all or even most... but enough to make them noticed.

Of course, I was never like that! 8)

BushMogulMaster
02-27-2007, 09:50 PM
Of course, I was never like that! 8)

Yeah... that's what they all say :wink:

sugarboarder
02-27-2007, 10:15 PM
Damned kids! :P Let them cut the line and then sit on the lift for an hour with all that damn Red Bull rushing through their veins. :roll: That'll teach them a thing or two.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

sugarboarder
02-27-2007, 10:17 PM
Of course, I was never like that! 8)

You "Graying Men Vit Skis" (GMVS) guys are TROUBLE!!

Bubba
02-28-2007, 07:21 AM
If anybody wants to cut the lines, I'm available Sat & Sun afternoons. Also available mid week.
PM me and we'll set up a private lesson. You might even learn something. :wink:

CapeSkiGuy
02-28-2007, 08:27 AM
I was in the VH lift line repeatedly on Saturday. I was a single. One of the lifties told me they did not have a "singles line" operating. When I asked why, he said "We are kind of screwed up today". At least it was an honest answer.

Earlier, the Super B line for singles was long...very long...but moving. It had extended well beyond the normal point at the end of the "corral". A small group of mid-30's adults (men and women) came to the line where it would normally begin. They tried to sneak in right in front of me. I said, politely, "Excuse me, are you singles?" (sounds like a pickup line, but what else do you say?) They said yes. I said "Then you need to know that the line starts way, way back there, about 30 people behind you." They looked at each other, looked at the line, realized they weren't getting in ahead of anyone, and moved off.

I guess I wasn't in the mood to have anyone try to play the game with me on Saturday. I was polite, but wasn't going to be cut in front of by anyone. (Ski school is the exception). Just about everyone I rode with on the lifts Saturday was friendly and polite, like always, but resigned to long lines due to the windhold at ME.

BushMogulMaster
02-28-2007, 08:32 AM
I was in the VH lift line repeatedly on Saturday. I was a single. One of the lifties told me they did not have a "singles line" operating. When I asked why, he said "We are kind of screwed up today". At least it was an honest answer.

Yep. That was probably because of all of the windholds. It's tough not knowing which chair is going to come back up, or which is going down next. With how busy it was Saturday, as soon as the lift mechanics lifted the windhold on VH, the ops probably scrambled to open is as soon as they could. Sometimes you miss something like a singles line when your under the gun to get things flowing.

CapeSkiGuy
02-28-2007, 08:44 AM
I was in the VH lift line repeatedly on Saturday. I was a single. One of the lifties told me they did not have a "singles line" operating. When I asked why, he said "We are kind of screwed up today". At least it was an honest answer.

Yep. That was probably because of all of the windholds. It's tough not knowing which chair is going to come back up, or which is going down next. With how busy it was Saturday, as soon as the lift mechanics lifted the windhold on VH, the ops probably scrambled to open is as soon as they could. Sometimes you miss something like a singles line when your under the gun to get things flowing.


No doubt that's true. They were doing a great job, like always. I hadn't realized that the VH was on windhold. It didn't look to me that it was open at all that morning, rather than just on hold, when I skied past to look.

Speaking of the VH, the snow was great at the top, where it is usually icy. Great job! It held up all day. Skier traffic was light until the midafternoon up there, when it was "discovered". Suddenly, tons of folks were on Snowball. That whole corner of the mountain was sunny and only moderately windy. My personal favorite place on the LP side...the top of Spring Fling.

My biggest mistake was getting sore from skiing Saturday...and I didn't ski Sunday. I blew it bigtime.

BushMogulMaster
02-28-2007, 08:56 AM
My biggest mistake was getting sore from skiing Saturday...and I didn't ski Sunday. I blew it bigtime.

That's always a downer :cry:

daevious
02-28-2007, 09:40 AM
Re: Singles Line at Valley House:
I don't think that was necessarily a screwup. A singles' line on a double chair doesn't make a lot of sense, if you think it through. Just get on the regular line and pair up with another single, eh?

Re: Ski School:
Lift Ops have been really good about setting up ski school lanes on the major lifts this season. As somebody pointed out, a few large groups can easily overwhelm the low capacity lifts (i.e., fixed-grip doubles) and bring the line to a standstill. For that reason the Valley House chair often doesn't have a ski school lane (esp. on crowded days), the Castlerock chair never has one, and ski school groups are not supposed to cut lines where is no ski school lane. Instructors should all know that, but it seems likely from the discussion on this thread that there may still be a few of us who didn't get the message. We will bring this up at the next ski&ride staff meeting.

BushMogulMaster
02-28-2007, 10:49 AM
Re: Singles Line at Valley House:
I don't think that was necessarily a screwup. A singles' line on a double chair doesn't make a lot of sense, if you think it through. Just get on the regular line and pair up with another single, eh?

Very good point. I guess I wasn't really thinking straight. Of course, that shouldn't really surprise you :wink:

freeheel_skier
02-28-2007, 12:14 PM
Re: Singles Line at Valley House:
I don't think that was necessarily a screwup. A singles' line on a double chair doesn't make a lot of sense, if you think it through. Just get on the regular line and pair up with another single, eh?

Very good point. I guess I wasn't really thinking straight. Of course, that shouldn't really surprise you :wink:


I thought the same thing. I actually started thinking the VH was a triple :oops: I must have been spending too much time checking out shadyjay's LP map with a Claybrook triple :lol:

Volkl Skier
03-01-2007, 12:25 AM
But as stated above they are paying for a time limited lesson, where they have to be on the hill to receive instruction.

a) my lift ticket is time limited too....

b) they can't receive five minutes of instruction on the lift line when there is a half hour line??


The "I own the mountain" attitude has been growing the last few years and has got to be a little out of control of late.

The best part is, they own jack sh1t, from what I've seen, the GMVS kids are pretty good on groomers, but suck big donkey balls on any real terrain like bumps, pow, and forget about trees....

Tin Woodsman
03-01-2007, 12:30 AM
But as stated above they are paying for a time limited lesson, where they have to be on the hill to receive instruction.

a) my lift ticket is time limited too....

b) they can't receive five minutes of instruction on the lift line when there is a half hour line??

If you're arguing against the principle of ski schoolers cutting lines on normal, relatively uncrowded days, you're way off base. They are paying for a lift ticket, and then they're paying an additional 2x that amount for 2-3 hours of instruction. If half that time is spent in a line, that's not a very good return on their investment. And if you seriously think that 5 minutes of describing something waiting in line is as useful as even 1 minute out on the snow, I think you need to revisit the ski school yourself. Now on a really bury day like we've recently experienced, I can't argue with you. they shouldn't wait in the regular line, but some moderation should be shown relative to the people who've been waiting for 15 minutes or more.


The "I own the mountain" attitude has been growing the last few years and has got to be a little out of control of late.

The best part is, they own jack sh1t, from what I've seen, the GMVS kids are pretty good on groomers, but suck big donkey balls on any real terrain like bumps, pow, and forget about trees....[/quote]
you're salty tonight. I like it.

Volkl Skier
03-01-2007, 09:48 AM
I said 5 minutes in a half hour line. Its not that confusing. thats STILL only 17% of the time I'm on line. And since it is so obviously a function of how much you pay, then we should pay less on busy days when we're going to be cut by the ski school all day.

Tin Woodsman
03-01-2007, 12:48 PM
I said 5 minutes in a half hour line. Its not that confusing. thats STILL only 17% of the time I'm on line. And since it is so obviously a function of how much you pay, then we should pay less on busy days when we're going to be cut by the ski school all day.

If you're waiting in a line at SB for a half hour, you're waiting for the wrong lift. I've never seen that happen unless trunk lifts are on windhold or have mechanical problems. I was there Saturday when North was closed and never waited more than 15 minutes, if that.

Ski schools have had lift cutting privileges forever, and with good reason. this isn't a new policy here, so to a certain extent, you're barking at the moon. You're not experiencing some sort of new phenomenon that is decreasing the value that you receive from your lift ticket. When liftlines are egregiously long, yes the instuctors should exhibit some tact, but the fundamental issue remains that people are paying a hefty price for 2-3 hours of on-hill instruction. If they wanted a classroom on skiing, I don't think there would be many takers. If you're so pissed off about it, how about you wake up an hour earlier and have the mountain to yourself at 8:00? Even during the rush hour from 10:00 to 12:00 and 1:00 to 2:30, you can ALWAYS find a line at SB that is 5 minutes or less. This is your problem.

HowieT2
03-01-2007, 01:06 PM
I can't believe this thread complaining about lift lines at SB when it is rare day when there is any wait at all. Sure it's going to happen once in a while like last saturday when you had holiday crowds and lifts on wind hold, but to suggest that 6 year olds in ski school should wait on line is ridiculous. Are there any mountains where the ski school doesn't cut to the front?

Tin Woodsman
03-01-2007, 01:19 PM
I can't believe this thread complaining about lift lines at SB when it is rare day when there is any wait at all. Sure it's going to happen once in a while like last saturday when you had holiday crowds and lifts on wind hold, but to suggest that 6 year olds in ski school should wait on line is ridiculous. Are there any mountains where the ski school doesn't cut to the front?

What he said.

madhavok
03-01-2007, 01:51 PM
Since I guess I started this let me explain. I do not normally have a problem with ski school cutting the line. Actually the lift ops do a great job at the gatehouse mixing the ski school onto the lift. Having said that, now I wouldn't go to the point to say its ridiculous to make six year olds in ski school wait on a line, after all there are just as many parents trying to teach their six year olds how to ski and they don’t get to cut the line, do they?

What really got me ranting was Saturday, when I was waiting on the Valley House for a very long time. When I finally got to the point where I would be the next person to be “on deck”, the line was bull rushed by a young teenage ski school group and their instructor. That I do find disrespectful and messed up. My suggestion was that there should be a guideline for instructors on those few really busy days (when people are waiting 30 minutes to get on a lift), to not abuse the ski school privilege.

I also had almost the same situation except I was on the North Lynx, and I was cut off by two upper teenage guys (wearing the green jackets) from the GMVS. They skied right down birch run and right onto the “on deck” spot. If I wasn’t ready to stop myself they at least one of them probably would have skied right over my skis. Grr.

That’s all there is to it.

Tin Woodsman
03-01-2007, 01:55 PM
Since I guess I started this let me explain. I do not normally have a problem with ski school cutting the line. Actually the lift ops do a great job at the gatehouse mixing the ski school onto the lift. Having said that, now I wouldn't go to the point to say its ridiculous to make six year olds in ski school wait on a line, after all there are just as many parents trying to teach their six year olds how to ski and they don’t get to cut the line, do they?

What really got me ranting was Saturday, when I was waiting on the Valley House for a very long time. When I finally got to the point where I would be the next person to be “on deck”, the line was bull rushed by a young teenage ski school group and their instructor. That I do find disrespectful and messed up. My suggestion was that there should be a guideline for instructors on those few really busy days (when people are waiting 30 minutes to get on a lift), to not abuse the ski school privilege.

I also had almost the same situation except I was on the North Lynx, and I was cut off by two upper teenage guys (wearing the green jackets) from the GMVS. They skied right down birch run and right onto the “on deck” spot. If I wasn’t ready to stop myself they at least one of them probably would have skied right over my skis. Grr.

That’s all there is to it.

With those caveats, I have a hard time disagreeing.

CapeSkiGuy
03-01-2007, 02:22 PM
Since I guess I started this let me explain. I do not normally have a problem with ski school cutting the line. Actually the lift ops do a great job at the gatehouse mixing the ski school onto the lift. Having said that, now I wouldn't go to the point to say its ridiculous to make six year olds in ski school wait on a line, after all there are just as many parents trying to teach their six year olds how to ski and they don’t get to cut the line, do they?

What really got me ranting was Saturday, when I was waiting on the Valley House for a very long time. When I finally got to the point where I would be the next person to be “on deck”, the line was bull rushed by a young teenage ski school group and their instructor. That I do find disrespectful and messed up. My suggestion was that there should be a guideline for instructors on those few really busy days (when people are waiting 30 minutes to get on a lift), to not abuse the ski school privilege.

I also had almost the same situation except I was on the North Lynx, and I was cut off by two upper teenage guys (wearing the green jackets) from the GMVS. They skied right down birch run and right onto the “on deck” spot. If I wasn’t ready to stop myself they at least one of them probably would have skied right over my skis. Grr.

That’s all there is to it.

With those caveats, I have a hard time disagreeing.


It all comes down to manners. Sometimes it ain't what you do, but how you do it. The ski school folks will never hear me beef about a line cut. Racers are a little different, in my opinion, and generally speaking, some of the teens need to learn manners and tact. If they need to get through, a little politeness goes a long way. Another matter entirely was what happened to me. A group of non-school, non-racing, regular ol' customers tried intentionally to cut a line in front of me, with at least 25 folks behind me. I didn't put up with it. Just politely but firmly said no. Granted this is the first time ever at SB that I ever had anyone be rude to any degree, and it was probably just a function of a crowded holiday week Saturday. But there it is. These guys didn't make a mistake, they just tried to get cute.

Volkl Skier
03-01-2007, 05:37 PM
If you're waiting in a line at SB for a half hour, you're waiting for the wrong lift. I've never seen that happen unless trunk lifts are on windhold or have mechanical problems. I was there Saturday when North was closed and never waited more than 15 minutes, if that.

Guess you weren't at sugarbush washington's weekend, when there were two lifts open, and the lines were horrendous, some lines were 1.5 hours... You say it doesn't matter because its only a few days a year, I say thats when it matters most...

sugarboarder
03-01-2007, 06:48 PM
If you're waiting in a line at SB for a half hour, you're waiting for the wrong lift. I've never seen that happen unless trunk lifts are on windhold or have mechanical problems. I was there Saturday when North was closed and never waited more than 15 minutes, if that.

Guess you weren't at sugarbush washington's weekend, when there were two lifts open, and the lines were horrendous, some lines were 1.5 hours... You say it doesn't matter because its only a few days a year, I say thats when it matters most...

Killington is 45 minutes south...have at it! :roll:

Tin Woodsman
03-01-2007, 08:14 PM
If you're waiting in a line at SB for a half hour, you're waiting for the wrong lift. I've never seen that happen unless trunk lifts are on windhold or have mechanical problems. I was there Saturday when North was closed and never waited more than 15 minutes, if that.

Guess you weren't at sugarbush washington's weekend, when there were two lifts open, and the lines were horrendous, some lines were 1.5 hours... You say it doesn't matter because its only a few days a year, I say thats when it matters most...
I say it doesn't happen unless there are major windhold or mechanical problems on trunk lifts (Bravo, Gate House, GMX). So you point to the busiest weekend of the year when there are only two lifts open and try to play that off as typical or a common problem? Wow - quite an entitlement complex you've got going on there.

sugarboarder
03-01-2007, 09:52 PM
Hmph.........skiers. :wink:

Yard Sale
03-01-2007, 10:59 PM
Skied all day Saturday at South. I was shocked at the crowd, but really never waited more than twenty minutes. Just singled up when we had to. Caught Heavan's Gate right off wind hold and ripped up the fresh courdoroy and fresh wind blown on the left side on OG for a couple of runs.

Volkl Skier
03-01-2007, 11:02 PM
If you're waiting in a line at SB for a half hour, you're waiting for the wrong lift. I've never seen that happen unless trunk lifts are on windhold or have mechanical problems. I was there Saturday when North was closed and never waited more than 15 minutes, if that.

Guess you weren't at sugarbush washington's weekend, when there were two lifts open, and the lines were horrendous, some lines were 1.5 hours... You say it doesn't matter because its only a few days a year, I say thats when it matters most...
I say it doesn't happen unless there are major windhold or mechanical problems on trunk lifts (Bravo, Gate House, GMX). So you point to the busiest weekend of the year when there are only two lifts open and try to play that off as typical or a common problem? Wow - quite an entitlement complex you've got going on there.

No, YOU are the one saying people are entitled.... I'm saying we should be equal, but apparently that common courtesy is lost upon some people... So the people like me, that spent $1200 on a season pass have to wait in line, but the yuppies that come up and spend 4 days skiing there a year @ 110$ a day for a goup lesson get to cut the line because they PAID more... PLEASE.....

Yard Sale
03-01-2007, 11:07 PM
If you're waiting in a line at SB for a half hour, you're waiting for the wrong lift. I've never seen that happen unless trunk lifts are on windhold or have mechanical problems. I was there Saturday when North was closed and never waited more than 15 minutes, if that.

Guess you weren't at sugarbush washington's weekend, when there were two lifts open, and the lines were horrendous, some lines were 1.5 hours... You say it doesn't matter because its only a few days a year, I say thats when it matters most...
I say it doesn't happen unless there are major windhold or mechanical problems on trunk lifts (Bravo, Gate House, GMX). So you point to the busiest weekend of the year when there are only two lifts open and try to play that off as typical or a common problem? Wow - quite an entitlement complex you've got going on there.

No, YOU are the one saying people are entitled.... I'm saying we should be equal, but apparently that common courtesy is lost upon some people... So the people like me, that spent $1200 on a season pass have to wait in line, but the yuppies that come up and spend 4 days skiing there a year @ 110$ a day for a goup lesson get to cut the line because they PAID more... PLEASE.....

I paid $900.00 for my 7 day all mountain pass. Am I in the right forum?

freeheel_skier
03-01-2007, 11:23 PM
If you're waiting in a line at SB for a half hour, you're waiting for the wrong lift. I've never seen that happen unless trunk lifts are on windhold or have mechanical problems. I was there Saturday when North was closed and never waited more than 15 minutes, if that.

Guess you weren't at sugarbush washington's weekend, when there were two lifts open, and the lines were horrendous, some lines were 1.5 hours... You say it doesn't matter because its only a few days a year, I say thats when it matters most...
I say it doesn't happen unless there are major windhold or mechanical problems on trunk lifts (Bravo, Gate House, GMX). So you point to the busiest weekend of the year when there are only two lifts open and try to play that off as typical or a common problem? Wow - quite an entitlement complex you've got going on there.

No, YOU are the one saying people are entitled.... I'm saying we should be equal, but apparently that common courtesy is lost upon some people... So the people like me, that spent $1200 on a season pass have to wait in line, but the yuppies that come up and spend 4 days skiing there a year @ 110$ a day for a goup lesson get to cut the line because they PAID more... PLEASE.....

I have never ever waited in a line for 1.5hr anywhere @ SB. :shock:

Yuppies.....Yuppies.....Please dude.....Just keep drinking the cool aid and you will be just fine. And $1200 wtf are you talking about?

ski_resort_observer
03-01-2007, 11:31 PM
If you're waiting in a line at SB for a half hour, you're waiting for the wrong lift. I've never seen that happen unless trunk lifts are on windhold or have mechanical problems. I was there Saturday when North was closed and never waited more than 15 minutes, if that.

Guess you weren't at sugarbush washington's weekend, when there were two lifts open, and the lines were horrendous, some lines were 1.5 hours... You say it doesn't matter because its only a few days a year, I say thats when it matters most...
I say it doesn't happen unless there are major windhold or mechanical problems on trunk lifts (Bravo, Gate House, GMX). So you point to the busiest weekend of the year when there are only two lifts open and try to play that off as typical or a common problem? Wow - quite an entitlement complex you've got going on there.

No, YOU are the one saying people are entitled.... I'm saying we should be equal, but apparently that common courtesy is lost upon some people... So the people like me, that spent $1200 on a season pass have to wait in line, but the yuppies that come up and spend 4 days skiing there a year @ 110$ a day for a goup lesson get to cut the line because they PAID more... PLEASE.....

I paid $900.00 for my 7 day all mountain pass. Am I in the right forum?

Sure you are, SP purchased before 5/6/06 was $899, purchased after 9/20 was $1289, I think.

Lostone
03-01-2007, 11:35 PM
Remember the lessons are 1 or 2 hours only. Spending a half hour in a line would cut down, greatly, on the percentage of time. Every mountain I've ever seen gives the ski school priority. Do you know of one that doesn't?

And, as hinted by the last two posters, you might want to buy your pass earlier. It would save you enough... to buy a lesson, on the next crowded day, so you'll be able to cut lines. :lol:

And as Bubba said, you might even learn something. :wink:

Tin Woodsman
03-02-2007, 12:33 AM
Remember the lessons are 1 or 2 hours only. Spending a half hour in a line would cut down, greatly, on the percentage of time. Every mountain I've ever seen gives the ski school priority. Do you know of one that doesn't?

And, as hinted by the last two posters, you might want to buy your pass earlier. It would save you enough... to buy a lesson, on the next crowded day, so you'll be able to cut lines. :lol:

And as Bubba said, you might even learn something. :wink:

No, no, no Jim. Lessons are only for the bourgeois yuppy scum who flood the place on weekends and think they own it. That's silly of course. Everyone knows that Volkl Skier owns it.

CapeSkiGuy
03-02-2007, 08:22 AM
Gentlemen...Gentlemen...This started out as a discussion about manners.

Lostone
03-02-2007, 08:30 AM
Good point!

I ask all to remember to (politely) argue the point; not the person.

And now I have to go out and rant about this snaged snow! :D

Volkl Skier
03-02-2007, 09:01 AM
Remember the lessons are 1 or 2 hours only. Spending a half hour in a line would cut down, greatly, on the percentage of time. Every mountain I've ever seen gives the ski school priority. Do you know of one that doesn't?

And, as hinted by the last two posters, you might want to buy your pass earlier. It would save you enough... to buy a lesson, on the next crowded day, so you'll be able to cut lines. :lol:

And as Bubba said, you might even learn something. :wink:

No, no, no Jim. Lessons are only for the bourgeois yuppy scum who flood the place on weekends and think they own it. That's silly of course. Everyone knows that Volkl Skier owns it.

Listen, I don't know where you come off saying shit like this, because I'm the one saying it should be equal, you're the one saying people should be able to cut the lines.

Volkl Skier
03-02-2007, 09:05 AM
If you're waiting in a line at SB for a half hour, you're waiting for the wrong lift. I've never seen that happen unless trunk lifts are on windhold or have mechanical problems. I was there Saturday when North was closed and never waited more than 15 minutes, if that.

Guess you weren't at sugarbush washington's weekend, when there were two lifts open, and the lines were horrendous, some lines were 1.5 hours... You say it doesn't matter because its only a few days a year, I say thats when it matters most...
I say it doesn't happen unless there are major windhold or mechanical problems on trunk lifts (Bravo, Gate House, GMX). So you point to the busiest weekend of the year when there are only two lifts open and try to play that off as typical or a common problem? Wow - quite an entitlement complex you've got going on there.

No, YOU are the one saying people are entitled.... I'm saying we should be equal, but apparently that common courtesy is lost upon some people... So the people like me, that spent $1200 on a season pass have to wait in line, but the yuppies that come up and spend 4 days skiing there a year @ 110$ a day for a goup lesson get to cut the line because they PAID more... PLEASE.....

I have never ever waited in a line for 1.5hr anywhere @ SB. :shock:

Yuppies.....Yuppies.....Please dude.....Just keep drinking the cool aid and you will be just fine. And $1200 wtf are you talking about?

Castlerock the day after the storm....

Sorry I couldn't afford a season pass over the summer.... Some of us didn't have a grand burning a hole in our pocket in july and had to pay full price....

noski
03-02-2007, 09:06 AM
:(

Volkl Skier
03-02-2007, 09:07 AM
Which brings me to another point, ski patrollers on castlerock that day were BLATENTLY just skiing laps and cutting the line... Thats a load of bs if I ever saw it...

ScoobySnack
03-02-2007, 09:48 AM
When I read Volkl's posts, I keep picturing Dana Carvey's cranky old man character - "In my day, we didn't let ski school students cut the line. We kicked them to the back...and then we tripped them. And that's the way it was, and we liked it!"

Volkl Skier
03-02-2007, 10:02 AM
When I read Volkl's posts, I keep picturing Dana Carvey's cranky old man character - "In my day, we didn't let ski school students cut the line. We kicked them to the back...and then we tripped them. And that's the way it was, and we liked it!"

Thank you for your profound and insightful input to this thread...

Tin Woodsman
03-02-2007, 11:25 AM
Listen, I don't know where you come off saying shit like this, because I'm the one saying it should be equal, you're the one saying people should be able to cut the lines.

Yes, you are a veritable bastion of equality with your call to arms against the awful yuppies flooding the place on the weekends. Of course, this doesn't apply to you, b/c there are no yuppies on Strong Island. /sarcasm

Give me a break. Ski schools cut lines at EVERY resort in the US if not the world. Why are you special? They are paying $100 or more for a short window of instruction in addition to whatever they paid for their lift ticket. Are there times when they should modify what they're doing during periods of extremely long lines? Sure, but they should still not be forced to wait for 30 minutes at a time when that constitutes fully 25% of their lesson time. I don't get why this is so hard for you to understand.

Tin Woodsman
03-02-2007, 11:26 AM
When I read Volkl's posts, I keep picturing Dana Carvey's cranky old man character - "In my day, we didn't let ski school students cut the line. We kicked them to the back...and then we tripped them. And that's the way it was, and we liked it!"

Thank you for your profound and insightful input to this thread...

Oh the irony....

CapeSkiGuy
03-02-2007, 11:36 AM
Can we stop p*ssing in each other's cornflakes for a minute? This weekend won't be anything like last weekend in terms of crowds. The problem(s) described here will most likely not exist. The past is past, the offending parties are long gone. Let's celebrate a new dumping of snow, and be cordial to each other. A few runs without waiting in line, and all transgressions will be forgotten. We have and will continue to have the best conditions in the entire eastern half of the country. We share something special here.

So much for the sermon. I will go jump in a lake (or other invective) now...before I get told to.

gone.skiing
03-02-2007, 12:05 PM
Last storm we had one of these threads going as well. Everyone who wishes they were skiing today is here...

Volkl Skier
03-02-2007, 12:09 PM
When I read Volkl's posts, I keep picturing Dana Carvey's cranky old man character - "In my day, we didn't let ski school students cut the line. We kicked them to the back...and then we tripped them. And that's the way it was, and we liked it!"

Thank you for your profound and insightful input to this thread...

Oh the irony....

Oh please man, I didn't piss on one single person in this thread. The only thing remotely close to an insult was at the GMVS, But YOU, infact have insulted me several times already in this thread...

Volkl Skier
03-02-2007, 12:15 PM
Listen, I don't know where you come off saying shit like this, because I'm the one saying it should be equal, you're the one saying people should be able to cut the lines.

Yes, you are a veritable bastion of equality with your call to arms against the awful yuppies flooding the place on the weekends. Of course, this doesn't apply to you, b/c there are no yuppies on Strong Island. /sarcasm

Says the dude from Boston...




Give me a break. Ski schools cut lines at EVERY resort in the US if not the world. Why are you special? They are paying $100 or more for a short window of instruction in addition to whatever they paid for their lift ticket.

$45 for a group lesson. And I'm SURE that the 5 ski days per year crowd really does pump more money per capita into the resort/town than the people that spend 100 days a year there....




Are there times when they should modify what they're doing during periods of extremely long lines? Sure, but they should still not be forced to wait for 30 minutes at a time when that constitutes fully 25% of their lesson time. I don't get why this is so hard for you to understand.

But they DON'T, and if they cannot stop themselves from abusing a PRIVLEGE (not a right) then they should be stripped of it. Is it so hard for you to understand how people get pissed when they wait for a half hour and then have 30 people that JUST skied up to the lift, get right on?? Is it SO hard for you to understand how people will get pissed when they stand in line at Castlerock for an hour and a half, and they see the SAME ski patrollers skipping the line every 15 minutes??

03-02-2007, 12:24 PM
Sugarbush picked up a foot so far...

Tin Woodsman
03-02-2007, 12:25 PM
1) I'm not from Boston

2) You have consistently denigrated what you perceive to be the undeserving yuppies from somewhere else (you don't count in that crowd, of course. Love your sense of entitlement b/c you sopend so much time and money at SB. Let us all bow down in front of you.

3) Like I and others have said, cutting right in front during periods of extremely long lines isn't kosher. They should exercise moderation. But it's hard to understand why you bitch, whine and moan about it so forecefully when the lines you spoke of happened exactly once int he last 5-10 years at SB. And I don't believe fora moment that there was a 1.5 hour liftline. For a guy who is the self-styled mayor of this place (after all, you spend 100 days and so much money there), you should know better.

03-02-2007, 12:34 PM
Sugarbush picked up a foot so far...

aejkb
03-02-2007, 12:37 PM
CAT FIGHT!

noski
03-02-2007, 12:39 PM
I heard Sugarbush picked up a FOOT so far....

CapeSkiGuy
03-02-2007, 12:43 PM
CAT FIGHT!

OMG! Fat Freddy's Cat! LOL! I haven't seen that in years and years.

Volkl Skier
03-02-2007, 12:45 PM
1) I'm not from Boston

2) You have consistently denigrated what you perceive to be the undeserving yuppies from somewhere else (you don't count in that crowd, of course. Love your sense of entitlement b/c you sopend so much time and money at SB. Let us all bow down in front of you.

3) Like I and others have said, cutting right in front during periods of extremely long lines isn't kosher. They should exercise moderation. But it's hard to understand why you bitch, whine and moan about it so forecefully when the lines you spoke of happened exactly once int he last 5-10 years at SB. And I don't believe fora moment that there was a 1.5 hour liftline. For a guy who is the self-styled mayor of this place (after all, you spend 100 days and so much money there), you should know better.

1) so you're local??? And ONCE again, with the entitlement.. what is that your word of the day?? Yes I do feel entitled to spend the SAME EXACT AMOUNT OF TIME IN LINE AS EVERYONE ELSE. Boy do I have a complex or what...

2) Right, whatever you say man... I can't believe you nailed it, I'm just another yuppie, you know the kind that live off student loans in the upstairs of some dudes house... Yup.. you got it...


3) Whoah whoah whoah... YOU are the one who said the lesson folk should be able to cut the line because the spent sooooooooooooo much money on their ticket. I'm illustrating the point that, those people are in town for 5 days a year....

Yard Sale
03-02-2007, 12:46 PM
Alright, I admit it. I'm from Boston. It was me. I'm sorry.

Volkl Skier
03-02-2007, 12:47 PM
And for the sake of the reading comprehension impaired I never said I spend that much time up there, I said people who do. I'm probably only in vermont ~65 days a year.. Thanks for playing though..

aejkb
03-02-2007, 01:01 PM
Down 0-3, won 4-3.

Fourwide
03-02-2007, 01:05 PM
It's clear to me that none of you boys are on the mountain today. Nothing but smiles out there (and, coincidentally (?), no ski school or GMVS!.

boze
03-02-2007, 03:03 PM
Is the precip still all snow?

Seems like a few desk-sitters (like myself) are a bit jonesing for some more skiing.

Let's all try to play nice...and for what it's worth, skiing SB since the early 70s I've not once stood in line for more than 45 min. I'd have shuffled off to a beer by the 46 minute mark. :wink:

BushMogulMaster
03-02-2007, 03:08 PM
It's clear to me that none of you boys are on the mountain today. Nothing but smiles out there (and, coincidentally (?), no ski school or GMVS!.

I just came off the mountain! What a fantastic day! :D

I can verify, Sugarbush picked up a foot of snow!

Tin and Volkl... take your battle to the PMs. Or just quit, because your clearly not going to change each others' minds.

And, I will agree with Tin on one thing... the lines were never ever ever ever near 1.5 hours long. I was in line for GH at the busiest point I've ever seen it, and I waited about 25 minutes. I was in line for Castlerock as long as I've ever seen it... 35-45 minutes. I was in line for Bravo as long as I've ever seen it... 25 minutes. End of conversation.

boze... nope, it's not all snow. There's been some accumulation of sleet. But it's supposed to switch back to snow, and we'll hopefully pick up another 5-7 terrain induced by the morning. Tomorrow will be awesome!


and, coincidentally (?), no ski school or GMVS!

All the GMVSers were at ME today. But they were very polite, in general, and didn't cut any lines. Of course, there weren't any lines to begin with!

sugarboarder
03-02-2007, 03:30 PM
Which brings me to another point, ski patrollers on castlerock that day were BLATENTLY just skiing laps and cutting the line... Thats a load of bs if I ever saw it...

I'll say it agian...Killington will save you 45-50 minutes of drive time...and you'll be with "your people"...how good is that?? 8)

freeheel_skier
03-02-2007, 08:57 PM
Which brings me to another point, ski patrollers on castlerock that day were BLATENTLY just skiing laps and cutting the line... Thats a load of bs if I ever saw it...

I'll say it agian...Killington will save you 45-50 minutes of drive time...and you'll be with "your people"...how good is that?? 8)


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Bubba
03-03-2007, 06:10 AM
Volkl Skier wrote:
Which brings me to another point, ski patrollers on castlerock that day were BLATENTLY just skiing laps and cutting the line... Thats a load of bs if I ever saw it...



I wonder if maybe the patrollers were...um..."patrolling"?

Plowboy
03-03-2007, 08:01 AM
No, they were Ski Patrolling. Hummmmmmmmmmmm. :roll:

random_ski_guy
03-03-2007, 01:41 PM
Which brings me to another point, ski patrollers on castlerock that day were BLATENTLY just skiing laps and cutting the line... Thats a load of bs if I ever saw it...

I'll say it agian...Killington will save you 45-50 minutes of drive time...and you'll be with "your people"...how good is that?? 8)

what a nasty thing to say

sugarboarder
03-03-2007, 01:56 PM
Which brings me to another point, ski patrollers on castlerock that day were BLATENTLY just skiing laps and cutting the line... Thats a load of bs if I ever saw it...

I'll say it agian...Killington will save you 45-50 minutes of drive time...and you'll be with "your people"...how good is that?? 8)

what a nasty thing to say

Did you READ the kind of things the person has to say about Sugarbush and the people who work here? This person BELONGS at K-mart.

random_ski_guy
03-03-2007, 05:25 PM
Which brings me to another point, ski patrollers on castlerock that day were BLATENTLY just skiing laps and cutting the line... Thats a load of bs if I ever saw it...

I'll say it agian...Killington will save you 45-50 minutes of drive time...and you'll be with "your people"...how good is that?? 8)

what a nasty thing to say

Did you READ the kind of things the person has to say about Sugarbush and the people who work here? This person BELONGS at K-mart.

Maybe I misread the posts, but I thought Volkl Skier was arguing for absolute lift equality without regard to ticket prices, on mtn duties as a volunteer or employee or the service purchased (ie ski school). That just doesn't sound like a Killington skier to me, its sounds more like a socialist skier. I would equate socialists with many other ski areas before Killington; the king of failed capitalism. Again, I might have Volkl Skiers position all wrong. If I do, please forgive me, I'm trying not to give this thread to much thought.

In any event, could you say anything nastier to a season's passholder than take your sh1t to killington. Man, that is nasty. :wink:

sugarboarder
03-03-2007, 07:44 PM
Which brings me to another point, ski patrollers on castlerock that day were BLATENTLY just skiing laps and cutting the line... Thats a load of bs if I ever saw it...

I'll say it agian...Killington will save you 45-50 minutes of drive time...and you'll be with "your people"...how good is that?? 8)

what a nasty thing to say

Did you READ the kind of things the person has to say about Sugarbush and the people who work here? This person BELONGS at K-mart.

Maybe I misread the posts, but I thought Volkl Skier was arguing for absolute lift equality without regard to ticket prices, on mtn duties as a volunteer or employee or the service purchased (ie ski school). That just doesn't sound like a Killington skier to me, its sounds more like a socialist skier. I would equate socialists with many other ski areas before Killington; the king of failed capitalism. Again, I might have Volkl Skiers position all wrong. If I do, please forgive me, I'm trying not to give this thread to much thought.

In any event, could you say anything nastier to a season's passholder than take your sh1t to killington. Man, that is nasty. :wink:

Are you saying I should have told him to go to Mad River?

:twisted: :P :lol: :roll: :twisted: :P :lol: :roll: 8)

Volkl Skier
03-03-2007, 07:49 PM
It's clear to me that none of you boys are on the mountain today. Nothing but smiles out there (and, coincidentally (?), no ski school or GMVS!.

I just came off the mountain! What a fantastic day! :D

I can verify, Sugarbush picked up a foot of snow!

Tin and Volkl... take your battle to the PMs. Or just quit, because your clearly not going to change each others' minds.

And, I will agree with Tin on one thing... the lines were never ever ever ever near 1.5 hours long. I was in line for GH at the busiest point I've ever seen it, and I waited about 25 minutes. I was in line for Castlerock as long as I've ever seen it... 35-45 minutes. I was in line for Bravo as long as I've ever seen it... 25 minutes. End of conversation.

boze... nope, it's not all snow. There's been some accumulation of sleet. But it's supposed to switch back to snow, and we'll hopefully pick up another 5-7 terrain induced by the morning. Tomorrow will be awesome!


and, coincidentally (?), no ski school or GMVS!

All the GMVSers were at ME today. But they were very polite, in general, and didn't cut any lines. Of course, there weren't any lines to begin with!

Pretty amazing that you've been on the longest line ever at EVERY lift.... And the 1.5 hours was measured by a sugarbush employee...

Volkl Skier
03-03-2007, 07:51 PM
Which brings me to another point, ski patrollers on castlerock that day were BLATENTLY just skiing laps and cutting the line... Thats a load of bs if I ever saw it...

I'll say it agian...Killington will save you 45-50 minutes of drive time...and you'll be with "your people"...how good is that?? 8)

My people?? You don't know the slightest thing about me... GFY dick.

Volkl Skier
03-03-2007, 07:53 PM
Volkl Skier wrote:
Which brings me to another point, ski patrollers on castlerock that day were BLATENTLY just skiing laps and cutting the line... Thats a load of bs if I ever saw it...



I wonder if maybe the patrollers were...um..."patrolling"?

In all my years of skiing, I've never seen a whole bunch of patrollers ski lap after lap on the same lift at what must have been a pretty good clip while doing any type of legitimate patrolling...

Volkl Skier
03-03-2007, 07:58 PM
Which brings me to another point, ski patrollers on castlerock that day were BLATENTLY just skiing laps and cutting the line... Thats a load of bs if I ever saw it...

I'll say it agian...Killington will save you 45-50 minutes of drive time...and you'll be with "your people"...how good is that?? 8)

what a nasty thing to say

Did you READ the kind of things the person has to say about Sugarbush and the people who work here? This person BELONGS at K-mart.

Maybe I misread the posts, but I thought Volkl Skier was arguing for absolute lift equality without regard to ticket prices, on mtn duties as a volunteer or employee or the service purchased (ie ski school). That just doesn't sound like a Killington skier to me, its sounds more like a socialist skier. I would equate socialists with many other ski areas before Killington; the king of failed capitalism. Again, I might have Volkl Skiers position all wrong. If I do, please forgive me, I'm trying not to give this thread to much thought.

In any event, could you say anything nastier to a season's passholder than take your sh1t to killington. Man, that is nasty. :wink:

No, I don't want lift equality. Clearly ski patrol needs to cut the line for a whole variety of reasons when they are actually working. And as I originally said, if anyone actually read it, I recommended the ski school taking 5 minutes when the line gets really long (half hour I believe) and go over some stuff and then work into the line. But then Tin Woodsman went all psycho on me, insulting me a number of times, so I decided to just piss him off.... Oops..

But, there still was a 1.5 hour wait at Castlerock, as measured by a sugarbush ambassador. And the patrollers were cutting the line for their own pleasure for sure.

Lostone
03-03-2007, 07:59 PM
I think this thread has long since passed its level of usefulness and degenerated to name calling.

I'm locking it.

Please take your personal feelings to PMs or emails.