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Mike_451
11-30-2006, 10:41 PM
Thurdsay Nov 30 @ 10:30 PM
Location, German Flats Road (1500' elevation)
Right now the temps are in the mid 50's and is droping, and it is puking rain :x
It is occasionaly pretty gusty, with constant winds right now.
The winds are prety much from the south, and south west as they have been.

More updates to come......
Photos if dumps snow tomorow while it is still daylight!!!!!

freeheel_skier
11-30-2006, 10:58 PM
Thurdsay Nov 30 @ 10:30 PM
Location, German Flats Road (1500' elevation)
Right now the temps are in the mid 50's and is droping, and it is puking rain :x
It is occasionaly pretty gusty, with constant winds right now.
The winds are prety much from the south, and south west as they have been.

More updates to come......
Photos if dumps snow tomorow while it is still daylight!!!!!

Looking more like R@!n tomorrow. :evil:

I hope it pukes frozen tomorrow night! not likely :o Monday is looking more like snow.

Mike_451
11-30-2006, 11:47 PM
Thurdsay 11:36 PM
German Flats Road 1500' Elevation
about 48 degrees, light rain to moderate rain, heavy at times.
Winds calm to breezy, with occasional gusts.

Overall things have been pretty variable, From viewing the radar the Mountain seems to be holding things back, though unfourtionatly the rain is inevitable. I wonder if anything will be left on Elbow, and I hope organgrinder and Downspout hold up ok.

I will post another update about 1:00 in the morning, and then a few tomorow with any substantial changes.....

Think Snow.....

Tin Woodsman
11-30-2006, 11:57 PM
Thurdsay 11:36 PM
German Flats Road 1500' Elevation
about 48 degrees, light rain to moderate rain, heavy at times.
Winds calm to breezy, with occasional gusts.

Overall things have been pretty variable, From viewing the radar the Mountain seems to be holding things back, though unfourtionatly the rain is inevitable. I wonder if anything will be left on Elbow, and I hope organgrinder and Downspout hold up ok.

I will post another update about 1:00 in the morning, and then a few tomorow with any substantial changes.....

Think Snow.....

The only thing the mountain is holding back is the radar beam, unfortunately.

Mike_451
12-01-2006, 12:31 AM
seriously? I guess that has to have some effect on the radar, and the weather mostly as low level clouds.....


Edit 12:50 PM, It aint doing much right now, the temperature is down to a degree or so, I am calling it quits for tonight. The rain has tapered off a bit, probably a good thing as it would be nice to have a little bit of snowpack left.....

win
12-01-2006, 05:38 AM
It is looking ugly. I doubt we will be able to make a call on Sunday until 6am on Sunday. Will keep everyone apprised.

007
12-01-2006, 10:22 AM
http://www.weather.gov/forecasts/graphical/sectors/vermont.php#tabs

ski_resort_observer
12-01-2006, 10:40 AM
Here's the latest NWS for the 3000ft level at Sugarbush...looks promising
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=BTV&llon=-73.289583&rlon=-72.594583&tlat=44.400417&blat=43.705417&smap=1&mp=1&map.x=125&map.y=95

random_ski_guy
12-01-2006, 11:56 AM
Norm's weather page says its 35 degrees out....the Sugarbush on mtn temps say its still in the 50s. Are the bush temps wrong or is the temp inversion still in place?

BushMogulMaster
12-01-2006, 12:29 PM
Norm's weather page says its 35 degrees out....the Sugarbush on mtn temps say its still in the 50s. Are the bush temps wrong or is the temp inversion still in place?

The temps on the website are definitely wrong. I was at the base of ME this morning and it wasn't quite 40. Then I looked at the site and it said mid 50s. So the temps are definitely off.

BushMogulMaster
12-01-2006, 01:47 PM
Temp at base of ME is 35 degrees, and it is raining lightly. At the summit, it is a mix of rain and sleet, but nothing that is going to accumulate or be helpful yet :evil: . But, the temps are dropping and we should see some white stuff falling soon!


THINK SNOW!

Lostone
12-01-2006, 01:59 PM
The temps on the bush site are nice, but they don't get updated very often. :(

In the last two days they read the exact same thing all day long.

They were updated in the morning, then. . . nothing. :?

BushMogulMaster
12-01-2006, 02:14 PM
It seems to have been taken care of. Check http://www.sugarbush.com.

HowieT2
12-01-2006, 02:35 PM
Just to make me feel better can someone post when the snow starts. This rain thing is seriously depressing. Being at work in NYC is even more annoying because everyone keeps saying "well thank god it's not snow" Fools and infidels that they are.

BushMogulMaster
12-01-2006, 02:37 PM
I'll let you know as soon as I see it starting.

noski
12-01-2006, 02:39 PM
I can't believe it is far away. It 34 right now in downtown Waitsfield. If I see snow I will post and maybe valley-cam will pick it up....

Mike_451
12-01-2006, 02:43 PM
Friday 2:30 PM
German Flats Road 1500' Elevation
34 Degrees or so (cheapo thermoneter) Wind Calm
Occasional Spirts of Very, Very Cold Rain

The clouds just look like they want to start puking snow.
It is pretty foggy, I can see the mountain any, The temp is warmer in the valey, so I Don't think it is inverted, so I wouldn't rule out the possiblility of some mixed percipitation further up the hill.

I will post pictures, and accumulation updates as soon as it snows

Bubba
12-01-2006, 02:49 PM
Friday, 2:48 pm
East Warren, 1700' elevation
38 degrees
Light mist and fog

About to open beer, no pictures here. :P



Be very careful if you plan on driving up tonight.

HowieT2
12-01-2006, 03:01 PM
you guys are great. Enjoy that beer while I stew in my office.

noski
12-01-2006, 03:03 PM
Howie- I think Bubba IS at the office....

Bubba
12-01-2006, 03:23 PM
Howie- I think Bubba IS at the office....


Ayuh.
That would be the home office of the Blueberry Lake Polar Bear Club.
I would elaborate but I have to go get another beer and send a fax.
Work, work, work, work, work, work, work.
Still no pictures.

Mike_451
12-01-2006, 03:32 PM
Friday 3:23 PM
1500' German Flats RD
Raining prety hard for the moment, the thermometer in my back yard is reading something arround 33-34 degres, I don't know how accurate that is, Though though the air is pretty cool, and you can feel dry cool winds coming in from the cold front, verses the warm humid winds we have had coming from the south in the days past.

I wonder what it is doing percipitation wise up the mountain, I am sure as heck if it were a fegree or so coller here it would be raining.....

Looking up at the rain running off my skylight it is noticibly viscous, so hopefully the temps will drop more through the day.

Strat
12-01-2006, 03:33 PM
Moretown
3:32 PM
33.8° F

It's dropping...

BushMogulMaster
12-01-2006, 03:36 PM
Summit: 32 °F

Yes, folks, it's officially reached freezing at the summit! I'm not sure what it's doing up there right now, but if it's not snowing already, it will be soon!

atkinson
12-01-2006, 03:39 PM
It's 33 and pouring at the base, but a little birdy told me that it has turned to snow up top. This changeover is coming much sooner than earlier predicted. Could be a new world tomorrow.

Come on temps!

John

Mike_451
12-01-2006, 04:00 PM
thats consistant with my thermometer 8)
Seriously, if it is 33 degrees at the base, and the temps are not inverted, it seems logical to me that it might be dumping something other than rain up top 8)

5:00 update, Hail, Freezing Rain, Sleet and the Like.
Almost Snow :twisted:

HowieT2
12-01-2006, 05:17 PM
That's the best news I've heard all week. Go snow.

win
12-01-2006, 05:26 PM
Click on top right icon on the Sugarbush home page, and it will take you to the page that has temperatures at both mountains at base, mid and summit. They are quite accurate.

Right now it still looks like Sunday is a long shot, but we will do all we can to make it happen, but as I said earlier we will not know until early Sunday am. The winds might be the biggest variable tomorrow.

Snowmaking crews will be at it first thing tomorrow morning at both mountains.

HowieT2
12-01-2006, 05:35 PM
All I can say is that we are all due for some good fortune with the weather. And I mean good as in cold and snowy. Have a good weekend.

ski_resort_observer
12-01-2006, 06:41 PM
The thunder and lightning is cool, nature's fireworks to herald in the winter season. !

Mike_451
12-01-2006, 07:17 PM
Anybody know anything of how much if any of the snowpack has survived, I noticed today that the lift ramp for the GMX was long gone as well as any trace of snow there, I am wondering if they will esesntialy be starting from scratch, on Elbow, Organgrinder, and Downspout.

Mike_451
12-01-2006, 10:03 PM
9:55 PM Friday
1500' German Flats Road

Winds, Rain, Wind Driven Mist, Sleet, Fog, the typical BS we have had all day.
Tems up a bit, into the high 30's low 40's, I guess its got to get warmer before it gets coolder.

Lightning and Thunder are Gone

I will probably do an update arround midnight, and before I go to sleep.

IF it Sneauxes (killington speak) any I will get out the yardstick and mesure, I guess there is suposedly a chance of snow tonight, but I don't want to accept the accumulation figures I have head.

HowieT2
12-01-2006, 10:15 PM
Bummer. Thanks for the update.

BushMogulMaster
12-01-2006, 10:15 PM
10:16PM 12/1
Base of ME

41 Degrees; little to no precipitation; no snow currently visible. Clouds have lifted to above 2500' and mid mountain is now visible. Winds feel to be about 15-25mph.

There's still a couple inches in the NWS forecast for tonight. THINK SNOW!

Mike_451
12-01-2006, 11:37 PM
Just poped my bathroom window open, felt a really freaking cold gust of wind, guess winter is rolling in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will have temps etc... at 12:00

boze
12-02-2006, 12:13 AM
I just went outside and shouted to Ma Nature to remember that as it is now December, she'd better get her game face on for Old Man Winter and arrange a snowy dump for you highlanders to enjoy.

noski
12-02-2006, 07:05 AM
Geeze, Louise.... nothing in Ctr Fayston 1800', hovering around freezing. But I will say a beautiful sunrise looking out my window.... hot pink light bouncing off low clouds. Sigh.

Plowboy
12-02-2006, 09:01 AM
Flurries and the guns are going. Not a great pic, but gives you some :idea: of what's going on.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/MX51/IMG_0586.jpg

Lostone
12-02-2006, 09:12 AM
I think the technical term is... We got skunked! :cry:

No snowmaking running over here, yet. My guess is that they're trying to let some of that water drain out, as much as possible.

But the big gun has turned on. ~1/10". but it is a good tenth. :roll:

Mike_451
12-02-2006, 09:19 AM
I will tell you this, where I am on German Flats Road it is BELOW FREEZING, SNOWING AND THERE IS ALLREADY A GOOD DUSTING!!!!! I think winter is BACK for a litle while 8)

skiladi
12-02-2006, 09:24 AM
I will tell you this, where I am on German Flats Road it is BELOW FREEZING, SNOWING AND THERE IS ALLREADY A GOOD DUSTING!!!!! I think winter is BACK for a litle while 8)

How is the wind ?

BushMogulMaster
12-02-2006, 09:37 AM
Just a dusting at 4083' :evil: . That's frustrating! But the guns are blowing at ME again, and the wind isn't quite as bad as was expected. It looks like some of the previous base lived through the storm, and temps are great for rebuilding. It is flurrying up here, and that is definitely an improvement over rain!

random_ski_guy
12-02-2006, 09:55 AM
you guys are stellar. thanks for all the weather updates!

Mike_451
12-02-2006, 01:59 PM
Saturday December 2 1:51 PM
German Flats Road (1500' Elevation)

Temp Arround 29 degrees, winds calm with strong gusts at times.
Partialy Cloudy, with the sun poking through, and patches of blue skies.

Consistent light to moderate flurries, with occasioanl light snows.

(Update 2:00) Percipitation is on and off.

Accumulation, clumping up in the woods, and as the ground hardens and drys out is starting to stick a little bit in my lawn.

Looking up on the mountain, visiblity is pretty good, signs of trace accumulations in spots, I think I can see a bit of snow on a few rocks on Paridise.

No Signs of snowmaking operations at Lincoln Peak yet, I guess they are wating for the wet bulb tems to drop on deathspout so they can run at full capicity. Good sign that they are confident in the snowmaking weather for the next week.

Edit: Word is (Read the following post ) that they have been blasting on Downpsout.

I will get out my camera and take a few pics later and try to post them.

Will be back with more updates through the day.

Thanks to everybody else who has chimed in with updates as things change.
Interesting to see what it is actualy doing at different locations and elevations arround town.

daevious
12-02-2006, 02:59 PM
Here are some photos taken around noon on a Diamond Dogs training hike up Castlerock.
Temperature was in the upper to middle twenties, a few flurries and only a trace of snow so far.
Guns were/are running on Downspout.
Cross your fingers and continue your snow dances.

http://static.flickr.com/107/312192347_1c13b19d3a.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dvs/312192347/)
http://static.flickr.com/99/312192307_98f14ec8a7.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dvs/312192307/)
http://static.flickr.com/105/312192266_b0c20bd6de.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dvs/312192266/)

Mike_451
12-02-2006, 03:06 PM
awsome 8) I guess it is to windy on Organgrinder.....

random_ski_guy
12-02-2006, 03:07 PM
looks like they managed to hold on to some snow on upper organgrinder.

blowing snow on just downspout? anywhere's else?

nice pictures.

Mike_451
12-02-2006, 04:43 PM
The Pictures dont lie......
Theese were taken at my house on German Flats Road at about 1500' elevation about 4:00
Kind of dark, but they turned out decent......


http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r137/Mike_451/GettingColder.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r137/Mike_451/Sneaux.jpg

Lostone
12-02-2006, 05:06 PM
Why do you have steps leading up to the thermometer? Should've just placed it a little lower. :?


:lol:

Mike_451
12-02-2006, 05:50 PM
Wow, I didn't know there was a towering white birch right above those steps to my back door :oops:
Here is another one from about 2:30 or so, The sky was a little bit more blue than in the picture, lots of glair, but pretty cool with with the sun starting just setting over the mountain with a beaming light, with snowflakes.... Nice opertunity, the full res one turned out nice.

I feel a really cold draft comeing through my window 8) About freaking time winter gets here :twisted:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r137/Mike_451/SunnySnows.jpg

With no skiing tomorow, I guess I Will be out with my camera again, That is if I resist the temptation to go to K-mart, or Stowe or something........

Lostone
12-02-2006, 06:35 PM
Well, if you go to Stowe, bring your camera. Their site says they're planning on reopening on Monday, too.

K_Mart is still saying they're open, but if you are going there, I'd suggest you get there early. You know all those cheap (as opposed to inexpensive) passes they sold? You won't be lonely, on those trails. :wink:

BushMogulMaster
12-02-2006, 08:20 PM
There is a mysterious white substance falling from the sky. It is something that hasn't been experienced for quite some time. If I had to place a name on it--based on myths I've heard about this prehistoric substance--I would guess that it is........GASP.........SNOW!

Temp @ base is about 28 degrees, and it is snowing! Winds seem to be dying down, and should be gone by tomorrow morning. There are more snowflakes in the forecast over the next few days, so think snow!

Mike_451
12-02-2006, 09:56 PM
Whoever the hell is doing the freaking snow dance KEEP DOING IT BECUAUSE IT IS DUMPING, I REPEAT IT IS DUMPING, AS HARD AS IT EVER DOES !!!!! 8)

Forget Killington I might be hiking for turns here tomorow!!!!!

Lostone
12-02-2006, 10:24 PM
Their site said that they were open, but according to the Ouch! thread in the Zone, K_mart is closed, too.

Just a few more days and all this will be history. :wink:

Mike_451
12-02-2006, 11:07 PM
exactly 8)

Mike_451
12-03-2006, 01:34 PM
Weather Update 1:25 PM
Mikes Weather Station, 1500' Elevation Geraman Flats Road

Temps are around 30 degrees, Skys Partialy Cloudy.
A Nice Sunny Day! :D

Winds, Slightly Brezzy. :roll:

Total Accumulation on the ground from last nights snows
trace 1/4 inch :x

Temps up on the mountain, well they are blasting snowguns all the way down to the bottom of HG Chair :P

Will post updates this evening and tonight.

Tin Woodsman
12-04-2006, 12:44 AM
Radar starting to pick up some impressive returns along the spine of the Greens, especially north of I-89, but not even south of it too. Looks like a few hours of decent precip on the way from western New York.

Mike_451
12-04-2006, 12:56 AM
Mikes Weather Station
1500' German Flats Road
Winds, I don't Care
Skys, well Cloudy
Temps Below Freezing!

Precipitation= Snow!!!!!

Lets hope this isn't a teaser like last night.

Tin Woodsman
12-04-2006, 01:13 AM
Mikes Weather Station
1500' German Flats Road
Winds, I don't Care
Skys, well Cloudy
Temps Below Freezing!

Precipitation= Snow!!!!!

Lets hope this isn't a teaser like last night.

au contraire - looks like a much deeper/longer moisture fetch than last night. Jay to Bolton getting crushed the last few hours. SB/MRG not as much, but still not bad on the spine.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=CXX&product=NCR&overlay=11111111&loop=yes

And here's a longer range view - lots more to come:

http://www.intellicast.com/IcastPage/LoadPage.aspx?loc=kalb&seg=LocalWeather&prodgrp=RadarImagery&product=RadarLoop&prodnav=none

Mike_451
12-04-2006, 01:20 AM
Looking Good, I will post acumulation stats, that is if there is any, off to look out my front door!

Plowboy
12-04-2006, 04:40 AM
Looking better @ 4:15 am

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/MX51/IMG_0588.jpg

boze
12-04-2006, 11:03 AM
Thx for the pic...noted the v. early AM time...you rock. I'll buy a beer anytime for a fellow night owl who makes such an effort for his fellow MRV Forum mates.

BushMogulMaster
12-04-2006, 11:25 AM
There's just something comforting about seeing natural snow on the mountain...........

Mike_451
12-04-2006, 11:58 AM
Monday 11:30 AM
Mikes Weather Station
1500' Elevation German Flats Road.....

Winds, Breezy, with Light to Moderate winds coming from the west.
Clouds, Was partialy cloudy, now Mostly Cloudy as some tall clouds moisture laden clouds are rolling in :roll:
Precipitation, Fluries, short spirts of light snow.
Temps, Look at the photo below.

Accumulation from last night, 2"

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r137/Mike_451/Cold-1.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r137/Mike_451/Snow2.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r137/Mike_451/Snow.jpg

The mountain is white again...... 8), not that I am aginst it beeing green.

noski
12-04-2006, 12:04 PM
Thx for the pic...noted the v. early AM time...you rock. I'll buy a beer anytime for a fellow night owl who makes such an effort for his fellow MRV Forum mates.
Don't let him kid you- he was up early checking FIR$T to see if he could get a plowing in....... Seeing that it wasn't quite enough, he posted his picture! :wink:

Mike_451
12-04-2006, 12:08 PM
Exactly, either he was trying to make a buck, or he was Coming back from a party at 4 in the morning or something... 8) Sounds like someone might be having a hangover today :lol:

Lostone
12-04-2006, 12:40 PM
Don't listen to Noski! :twisted:

She just wants in on that beer! :shock:

:lol:

Lostone
12-04-2006, 02:29 PM
By the way... It has been snowing like crazy at the base of South for the last few hours. 8)

I've actaully lost snow,frommy deck, but... "There's always more on the mountain" :D

Tin Woodsman
12-04-2006, 06:09 PM
Would anyone up there care to hazard a guess as to how much, if any, has accumulated today beyond the 2-3" from last night? There are reports out of Jay and Stowe of upwards of 4-6" or more since yesterday, so I'm wondering if we were able to keep pace with that on the upper mtn.

ski_resort_observer
12-04-2006, 07:34 PM
Would anyone up there care to hazard a guess as to how much, if any, has accumulated today beyond the 2-3" from last night? There are reports out of Jay and Stowe of upwards of 4-6" or more since yesterday, so I'm wondering if we were able to keep pace with that on the upper mtn.

Tin...didn't you post somewhere that you were watching the radar and had surmised that more of the energy and snow was north of I89? I remember reading that post and after checking the snow reports from Jay and Stowe showed you were spot on with that assessment. BTW Jay reported 7-10".

Plowboy
12-04-2006, 07:59 PM
Exactly, either he was trying to make a buck, or he was Coming back from a party at 4 in the morning or something... 8) Sounds like someone might be having a hangover today :lol:

Niether :lol: Mike, I noticed that your driveway was plowed $$$ :roll:. If you notice there is snow on my car and no tracks in the driveway. Out till 4am :shock: Where does one go till 4 am around here :?: No hangover :? here.

The truth is, I went to bed too early and couldn't sleep. Oh yea, we just got another inch :)

Plowboy
12-04-2006, 08:00 PM
Thx for the pic...noted the v. early AM time...you rock. I'll buy a beer anytime for a fellow night owl who makes such an effort for his fellow MRV Forum mates.

Bud Long Neck :wink: :lol:

Mike_451
12-04-2006, 08:16 PM
Enough with that 8)

Anyway, Picked up about another 1-2 or so today in my yard, havent bee out to mesure yet, but it is enough that it burried the grass. It was also snowing much harder at the base of MT Ellen, so if anybody has Totals from their, or on the Mountain for gods sake, please tell.

BushMogulMaster
12-04-2006, 08:22 PM
Natural snow depth at base of Mt Ellen is 3.5-4 inches. I don't know for certain what landed on top, but based on what's down here and how long it snowed up there, I'd guess 5-7.

HowieT2
12-04-2006, 09:52 PM
There we go!

Tin Woodsman
12-04-2006, 10:29 PM
Would anyone up there care to hazard a guess as to how much, if any, has accumulated today beyond the 2-3" from last night? There are reports out of Jay and Stowe of upwards of 4-6" or more since yesterday, so I'm wondering if we were able to keep pace with that on the upper mtn.

Tin...didn't you post somewhere that you were watching the radar and had surmised that more of the energy and snow was north of I89? I remember reading that post and after checking the snow reports from Jay and Stowe showed you were spot on with that assessment. BTW Jay reported 7-10".

Yeah that was me. Still, there were some decent returns hitting the Camel's Hump to Middlebury area, so I figured that an extra 1-3" had fallen. From the posts further down thread, it seems that was accurate for the base of the hill, with maybe a touch more on top. Not exactly base building snow from what I can tell, but it's a start.

BushMogulMaster
12-04-2006, 10:42 PM
In case you hadn't noticed, the 3000' forecast for tonight is:


Overnight: Occasional snow showers. Low around 6. West wind around 5 mph becoming calm. Chance of precipitation is 80%. Total nighttime snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible.

This means at least 1 to 3, and possibly 3 to 6 at 4000'.

Keepin the fingers crossed for the fluffy stuff!

Mike_451
12-05-2006, 12:33 AM
I will be out there tomorow, Will have a comeplete trip report - the pics, still not comfortable taking my camera out on the hill, mabey in a few days. Eventualy I will have to by a cheap-o digital camera to take skiing with me.

Another Lousy, Inaccurate, Lacking of Data, Non Scientific, Mikes Weather Station Report

Winds, Barometer Pressure, Humidity ? Meh, Look at the danm weather channel, I don't know, I am inside, I don't have those kinds of instruments yet..... Will next season though! Temps, below 20 degrees, great snowmaking weather , Clouds, Clear Skies, Some Clouds when I checked an Hour ago, Occasional Fluries, Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah enough of that...... Nothing Really Exciting , if it was I would be more excited about blabing about it......

2.5 to 3 inches of accumulation in my yard..... Not quite enough to set up a rail :x

Incase anybody out of town is wondering, Yes it is COLD here AT SUGARBUSH, and IT DID SNOW
not alot, but SOME, and they are BLASTING TONS OF SNOW, AT THE TOP, AND BOTTOM OF THE MOUNTAIN, and they will be BLASTING EVERYTHING INBETWEEN VERY SOON.

Anyway I have to sleep tonight so I can Ski Tomorow.....

PS. You guys over in the Adirondack's, send us some lake effect snows, so we can blab about it to you guys.
8)

boze
12-05-2006, 02:10 AM
Duly noted, Bud Long Neck. Hopefully I get up to the 'Bush sooner (I'd better!), but you may have to wait until me & some friends return for Superbowl weekend as is our tradition. If we cross paths at the bars, 1st round would be my pleasure.

(Speaking of which maybe Win is considering, or already has plans to call, another apres ski gathering similar to last year's Mushroom mash-up. :wink: As it so happens, anytime during that S'bowl weekend would be an excellent choice of date...)


We now return to our normally scheduled thread....Booyakasha (sorry for the interruption 451)

Bubba
12-05-2006, 08:31 AM
I will be out there tomorow, Will have a comeplete trip report - the pics, still not comfortable taking my camera out on the hill, mabey in a few days. Eventualy I will have to by a cheap-o digital camera to take skiing with me.

Another Lousy, Inaccurate, Lacking of Data, Non Scientific, Mikes Weather Station Report

Winds, Barometer Pressure, Humidity ? Meh, Look at the danm weather channel, I don't know, I am inside, I don't have those kinds of instruments yet..... Will next season though! Temps, below 20 degrees, great snowmaking weather , Clouds, Clear Skies, Some Clouds when I checked an Hour ago, Occasional Fluries, Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah enough of that...... Nothing Really Exciting , if it was I would be more excited about blabing about it......

2.5 to 3 inches of accumulation in my yard..... Not quite enough to set up a rail :x

Incase anybody out of town is wondering, Yes it is COLD here AT SUGARBUSH, and IT DID SNOW
not alot, but SOME, and they are BLASTING TONS OF SNOW, AT THE TOP, AND BOTTOM OF THE MOUNTAIN, and they will be BLASTING EVERYTHING INBETWEEN VERY SOON.

Anyway I have to sleep tonight so I can Ski Tomorow.....

PS. You guys over in the Adirondack's, send us some lake effect snows, so we can blab about it to you guys.
8)


Easy lad!!
Maybe you should lay off the late night drugs.

freeheel_skier
12-05-2006, 09:36 AM
Easy lad!!
Maybe you should lay off the late night drugs.

YIKES! I was thinking the same thing myself.....I think everone is a little amped up with some of the white stuff around...snow that is. :lol:

HowieT2
12-05-2006, 09:51 AM
The SB web site used to have forecasts by Jim Roemer who's site (BESTSKIWEATHER.COM) had links to the SB site and offered free lift tickets with a subscription. I noticed there are no longer links and no lift ticket offers. Anyone know why?

atkinson
12-05-2006, 10:27 AM
Here's a dawn patrol pic from this morning on Snowball.

http://forums.alpinezone.com/gallery/data/515/mike120506.jpg
Thin, but white. Fun, but challenging. We need more!

And a few from the Sugarbush Freestyle Team's first weekend of training on 12/2-3. No snow, no problem.

All I have to say is ... hard-freaking-core.

http://forums.alpinezone.com/gallery/data/515/diamonddogs2sm-120306.jpg
Coach Hersey, leading the team.

http://forums.alpinezone.com/gallery/data/515/diamonddogs3sm-120306.jpg
Poppa Wheelie ...

Enjoy!

John

ski_resort_observer
12-05-2006, 10:55 AM
The SB web site used to have forecasts by Jim Roemer who's site (BESTSKIWEATHER.COM) had links to the SB site and offered free lift tickets with a subscription. I noticed there are no longer links and no lift ticket offers. Anyone know why?

My guess is that since Sugarbush had to pay to get Roemer and his forcasts were no better than the other free info out there, it wasn't worth paying for.

Tin Woodsman
12-05-2006, 11:17 AM
Three thoughts:

1) Roemer's forecasts were almost always skewed towards an optimistic outcome. There were not reliable, IMHO. This shouldn't be surprising given that his main clients were ski areas.

2) For my money, the best forecasts you can find for the spine of the Greens, and other NE skiing hotbeds, is from Scott Braaten on SKIVT-L. The kid isn't even a met student at UVM, but he knows his stuff and, despite being a skiing enthusiast, is able to remain quite level-headed and objective about impending events. Well except for the last one when he jumped on the snowy scenarios 3 days before the event that were highly unlikely to verify. But that was a rare miss. I think most mets were surprised at the lack of snow.

3) The first photo from Atkinson indicates a wee bit more than the 1" SB is claiming in the last 72 hours. What gives?

ski_resort_observer
12-05-2006, 11:51 AM
3) The first photo from Atkinson indicates a wee bit more than the 1" SB is claiming in the last 72 hours. What gives?

Doesn't make any sense to me either. Quite frankly, the inaccurate info on the snow totals on the website has been a constant problem. To be brutaly honest it was always an obstacle for us to do our jobs when I worked at the Bush. The fact that on Monday the weather report hadn't been updated since Friday shows that this problem has clearly not been addressed.

random_ski_guy
12-05-2006, 12:30 PM
Maybe Sugarbush doesn't have an IT guy with full control of the internet portal. I'm not looking to make excuses, but perhaps they have to rely on a vendor to update the site and that vendor does so at their speed. That doesn't really explain the snowstake issue though.

To reduce the website maintenance burden all ski areas should just offer weather links to the NWS with notes for local observations rather than posting stale forecasts on their own website.

ski_resort_observer
12-05-2006, 12:49 PM
Maybe Sugarbush doesn't have an IT guy with full control of the internet portal. I'm not looking to make excuses, but perhaps they have to rely on a vendor to update the site and that vendor does so at their speed. That doesn't really explain the snowstake issue though.

To reduce the website maintenance burden all ski areas should just offer weather links to the NWS with notes for local observations rather than posting stale forecasts on their own website.

IT people take care of the computers, the software and hardware and all the other issues involved, with having a large network not much to do with the website. I am sure the Bush has at least one person doing that. The website was developed by an outside vendor, just check the bottom of the website, not sure how much VH is involved with maintenance. Weather/snow/trail updates are done in house but you need just one person working fulltime just on that to make it work. In the ASC days the Bush did have a fulltime guy doing that.

As far as snow totals I think JH had a cool system and this was 10 years ago. They had a couple of snow stakes in diferent locations on the mountain viewed by a video cameras. When the guy who's job it was to disseminate this info came to work he simply had to turn on his monitors and he got the info in real time. I know this because I was hired to do a sort of "day in the life of a JH ski patroller" photo essay so I got to see how they get all their data, especially info regarding avalanche danger.

random_ski_guy
12-05-2006, 01:08 PM
SRO, I know what IT guys do. I was using IT as a generic term for someone with computer know how who is capable of updating the website without crashing it. :)

Tin Woodsman
12-05-2006, 01:34 PM
3) The first photo from Atkinson indicates a wee bit more than the 1" SB is claiming in the last 72 hours. What gives?

Doesn't make any sense to me either. Quite frankly, the inaccurate info on the snow totals on the website has been a constant problem. To be brutaly honest it was always an obstacle for us to do our jobs when I worked at the Bush. The fact that on Monday the weather report hadn't been updated since Friday shows that this problem has clearly not been addressed.

Yes, it has been a constant problem. I bitched about it for most of last year here and elsewhere. Doesn't look like any effort has been made to improve in this regard. What I don't get is this - the only reason I could think of for not having a webcam is b/c SB doesn't want the appearance of bad weather or conditions to scare off potential customers. Again, this makes little sense given the webcams available at the competitions, but we'll work with that for now. If SB is so concerned about portraying the best possible image for marketing purposes (and what business isn't?) then why not have accurate, up to date snowfall totals? I understand the desire to be conservative and set realistic expectations, but I'm damn sure that more than 1" fell on the hill this week.

Tin Woodsman
12-05-2006, 02:49 PM
Am I hallucinating again, or is there a good snowfall going on between Lincoln and App Gap? Composite radar out of BTV seems to indicate 0.5 to 1" per hour snowfall rates along the spine for at least the last hour or so. Locals - any thoughts?

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=CXX&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes

Lostone
12-05-2006, 02:57 PM
As I recall, last year's snow totals were consistantly low. I think the reason for it is that very few people complain about having too much snow. I know of a number of storms where they said something like 3-4", and almost everyone out there was saying more than 6" (But a lot of tem were males, so... :roll: :lol: )

As for Snowball, today, I can see the grass on lower snowball. There's not a lot of snow out there. The other option not considered is that Atkinson's crew are . . . crazy!!!! :lol:

Some people will ski on anything! :wink:

ski_resort_observer
12-05-2006, 02:59 PM
Am I hallucinating again, or is there a good snowfall going on between Lincoln and App Gap? Composite radar out of BTV seems to indicate 0.5 to 1" per hour snowfall rates along the spine for at least the last hour or so. Locals - any thoughts?

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=CXX&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes

I agree with alot of what your saying but I personally don't think they need to report snowfall until the next morning but that's me. In my experience that meets 99.9% of the guests expectations I have talked to over the years. But, those first in the mornings numbers need to be correct. BTW I'm not on the mountain, I live near the Mad River but it is snowing.

random_ski_guy
12-05-2006, 02:59 PM
Tinman, you sir, are obsessed.

For now I am going to chalk it up to 'no snow - no skiing blues'

I hope your condition improves by month's end.

Lostone
12-05-2006, 03:07 PM
It has been snowing on the mountain for a few hours, and rather heavily. Small accumulation.

Tin Woodsman
12-05-2006, 03:12 PM
Tinman, you sir, are obsessed.

For now I am going to chalk it up to 'no snow - no skiing blues'

I hope your condition improves by month's end.

Not really - I'm like this all year round.

Honestly though, is it really too much to ask to have updated and accurate snowfall totals? If that's what qualifies as obsession, then color me a zealot. I think it's the bare minimum that should be expected. Updated to the minute? No. Two-three times per day during a significant snow event? Definitely. Accurate tally from overnight? Why the hell not? Maybe have a range of accumulations for the base and one for the upper mtn?

ski_resort_observer
12-05-2006, 03:23 PM
Tinman, you sir, are obsessed.

For now I am going to chalk it up to 'no snow - no skiing blues'

I hope your condition improves by month's end.

Not really - I'm like this all year round.

Honestly though, is it really too much to ask to have updated and accurate snowfall totals? If that's what qualifies as obsession, then color me a zealot. I think it's the bare minimum that should be expected. Updated to the minute? No. Two-three times per day during a significant snow event? Definitely. Accurate tally from overnight? Why the hell not? Maybe have a range of accumulations for the base and one for the upper mtn?

The only clear answer is that you need to move here.....you would love it. Forget about the big money and the high paying jobs. "money is no object when you don't have any".

Yes..RSG..he is like this all year round. I remember one time you wanted know about this big cement block you discovered above the condos near the Valley Trail. You wanted to know what it was, it's purpose, who put it there, on and on. Going by memory here but I think Mtn Lady and I tried to help you out but after a few posts I wanted to reply..."aliens probably left it there". :wink:

Strat
12-05-2006, 03:36 PM
Maybe Sugarbush doesn't have an IT guy with full control of the internet portal. I'm not looking to make excuses, but perhaps they have to rely on a vendor to update the site and that vendor does so at their speed. That doesn't really explain the snowstake issue though.

To reduce the website maintenance burden all ski areas should just offer weather links to the NWS with notes for local observations rather than posting stale forecasts on their own website.
No, there's definitely a staff with full website control, but their job is to publish information, not to gather or produce it. Definitely no blame there.

Tin Woodsman
12-05-2006, 03:40 PM
Tinman, you sir, are obsessed.

For now I am going to chalk it up to 'no snow - no skiing blues'

I hope your condition improves by month's end.

Not really - I'm like this all year round.

Honestly though, is it really too much to ask to have updated and accurate snowfall totals? If that's what qualifies as obsession, then color me a zealot. I think it's the bare minimum that should be expected. Updated to the minute? No. Two-three times per day during a significant snow event? Definitely. Accurate tally from overnight? Why the hell not? Maybe have a range of accumulations for the base and one for the upper mtn?

The only clear answer is that you need to move here.....you would love it. Forget about the big money and the high paying jobs. "money is no object when you don't have any".

Yes..RSG..he is like this all year round. I remember one time you wanted know about this big cement block you discovered above the condos near the Valley Trail. You wanted to know what it was, it's purpose, who put it there, on and on. Going by memory here but I think Mtn Lady and I tried to help you out but after a few posts I wanted to reply..."aliens probably left it there". :wink:

IIRC, you did in fact reply that the aliens left it there. You're telling me they didn't?! 8)

Seeing as how it was so anomalous, how could I not ask what it was? Mtn Lady did help out on that. Thanks Mtn Lady!

Strat
12-05-2006, 03:42 PM
Podcasts are up - http://sugarbush.com/aboutus/cm.asp?pn=podcastsrssfeeds&pid=192

Link should be moved from under the "About Us" menu, but it's a start...

Mike_451
12-05-2006, 03:44 PM
Another Mikes Sober Weather Station Report......
German Flats Road, 1500' elevation
Winds Light
Temperatures 21 degrees .....
Clouds, Snow Clowds!

Now for the GOOD PART.

Accumulation from Last Night and Previous Storms, 2.25 inches, Mid Mountain, to Summit, 2-3, Summit, 4 Possibly more

Today, It has been snowing through the day, earlier in the day as Fluries, Then to Light Snow, and dumping for periods.

Accumulation, Base elevations, at Least 1 inch, possibly 2 as it has packed down previous layers.

Accumulation on the Mountain, Well could someone from Sugarbush Please Tell Us an official tally?

Unfortionatly As of Now, everything has tapered off, the skys are hazy, but looking at the Radar and the Mountain, there might be more to come, espicaly if things move north a bit , Looks like things are getting hammered, south on 100 down arround Bristol.

random_ski_guy
12-05-2006, 03:59 PM
Tin, let me add more by saying that I whole heartily enjoy your enthusiasm, your obsession, your zeal. If only it could be turned into snow, then we'd be snowed in. :lol:

random_ski_guy
12-05-2006, 04:00 PM
Mike 451, thanks for the snow report. Did you ski today? I thought you were up on the mtn today.

ski_resort_observer
12-05-2006, 04:17 PM
Tin, let me add more by saying that I whole heartily enjoy your enthusiasm, your obsession, your zeal. :lol:

me too, me too!

Tin Woodsman
12-05-2006, 04:33 PM
Tin, let me add more by saying that I whole heartily enjoy your enthusiasm, your obsession, your zeal. :lol:

me too, me too!

Thanks guys *sniff*.

They like me. They really like me!!!


In my native Kazakhstan, such level of enthusiasm reserved only for yak herding, goat fighting, and assessing magnificent size of glorious leader President Nazarbaev's chram. It's very niiice.

Strat
12-05-2006, 04:47 PM
Tin, let me add more by saying that I whole heartily enjoy your enthusiasm, your obsession, your zeal. :lol:

me too, me too!

Thanks guys *sniff*.

They like me. They really like me!!!


In my native Kazakhstan, such level of enthusiasm reserved only for yak herding, goat fighting, and assessing magnificent size of glorious leader President Nazarbaev's chram. It's very niiice.
High-five!

Tin Woodsman
12-05-2006, 04:51 PM
On a more serious note, I just peaked over at SKIVT-L and, true to form, Scott Braaten has written a good summary of what he expects for the Thursday/Friday period.

Here's the link:

http://list.uvm.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0612a&L=skivt-l&D=1&O=D&X=1D5D986EA8321FB52A&Y

Here's the text:


Might have more on this later, but the NWS has Friday/Friday Night as
Partly Cloudy and cold over the Green Mountain spine. A shortwave will
move into the area on Thursday and should produce a burst of snowfall at
some point (hard to get cute with timing) with occasional light snow
showers/flurries the rest of the afternoon. Accumulations should be a
dusting-2" in the valleys and 2-4" across the mountains.

Then, the shortwave trough slows to a crawl across the region on Friday
night, and ignites coastal cyclogenesis far enough off shore that we do
not see any direct effects. However, there looks to be a 12 hour period
as it crawls up through the Canadian Maritimes where strong convergence
sets up between the coastal low and ridging behind the trough. This
convergence zone results in the important H85 winds increasing from
marginal WNW25kts on Friday morning to optimal NW35-50kts. For
significant upslope to take place, the variables need to be in place for
12hrs or longer and it doesn't look like we'll get that, but a moderate,
quick-hitting event could take place. Saturation in the H85 layer means
moisture's getting wrung out over the spine and with favorable temps,
between -12C and -20C at H85 to just below H7 (saturated layer in a good,
low-topped meso-scale snowfall), for dendrite snow growth a fluffy 4-8"
wouldn't surprise me in the usual locations during a 6-10 hour period on
Friday.

Here's the NAM valid 7pm showing clear upslope signal.
http://tinyurl.com/vozhu

Will see how the NWS addresses any orographic enhancement this afternoon
in their new products.

For those who aren't hip to the weather jive, I'll translate. A clipper comes through on Thursday with a quick 2-4" of light fluff expected. It will probably be just as light and dry as what we've received this week. After that clipper passes through the area, it slows down and redevelops off the coast. Alas, this coastal will be too far away to directly impact the Holy Land, but that's where VT just being VT shows why it's the place to be in the NE. The new low slows down in the Gulf of St. Lawrence area and will wrap-around winds and moisture with a favorable temperature and wind profile between 5000 and 10,000 feet - IOW, the place where baby snowflakes are born. This should/could last upwards of 6-10 hours on Friday and though that's a short window, the fluff factor should work in our favor b/c of the optimal temps up in the clouds. could be a bit breezy Friday afternoon though. Not sure if it will be strong enough for wind hold. In general, these types of events impact the spine from only K-Mart on northwards. If Scott is calling for the possibility of 4-8", in practice that generally means something like 4-6" for K-Mart to I-89 with 6-8" north of I-89. The only time SB gets as much or more than its northern brethren from these systems is when a storm stalls out just to the ENE of New England, so that the wraparound comes back down from the NNW, over Champlain, and then into the MRV area. That lake enhancement is a nice treat, but you only see it once or twice a year in my experience.

But yet I digress - I'd be pretty happy if we get 2-4" and then another 4-6". Still not enough, given its consistency, to open the natural runs, but it will get us closer.

BushMogulMaster
12-05-2006, 04:56 PM
Works for me. The more the merrier. Keep it coming......

ski_resort_observer
12-05-2006, 05:02 PM
Tin, let me add more by saying that I whole heartily enjoy your enthusiasm, your obsession, your zeal. :lol:

me too, me too!

Thanks guys *sniff*.

They like me. They really like me!!!


In my native Kazakhstan, such level of enthusiasm reserved only for yak herding, goat fighting, and assessing magnificent size of glorious leader President Nazarbaev's chram. It's very niiice.

ROFLMAO

Plowboy
12-05-2006, 05:17 PM
I'd say we got 3" to 4" today near the base of ME. First PLOW http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/MX51/santa.jpg Pic's taken @ 5:00pm.


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/MX51/IMG_0593.jpg


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/MX51/IMG_0598.jpg

Mike_451
12-05-2006, 05:52 PM
Yeah, I did ski today, Accumulation at the base of ME sounds about right, it dumped alot harder over there. I will post a trip report sometime today......

Tin Woodsman
12-05-2006, 06:12 PM
Yeah, I did ski today, Accumulation at the base of ME sounds about right, it dumped alot harder over there. I will post a trip report sometime today......

So summing up from this thread and the BMM TR, it seems like 3-4" new at the base of ME with possibly 4-6" up top. Possibly a little less down at LP if I'm interpreting Mike correctly.

Man I sure hope they are T2B at ME on Saturday. Wednesday and Thursday will definitely be marginal during the day for snowmaking below 2500' or so. That said, the NWS is forecasting a fantastic 36 hour window of temps no higher than 14 degrees at 3000' starting Thursday night. If they can get the lines on Cruiser charged (incidentally BMM, what does that involve - is that a big deal?), I wonder if the natural and man-made from that window can get it done? At those temps, assuming the winds aren't too bad, you're operating pretty close to optimal efficiency/output, no?

ski_resort_observer
12-05-2006, 06:23 PM
Plow...thanks for those pics! I used to do the plow thing, brings back alot of terrible memories....:lol: like working 3 straight days, your so tired that after you plowed a driveway, you look at it and have no recollection of actually plowing it.

freeheel_skier
12-05-2006, 09:25 PM
I am a Mr. Plow Fan :D ....now where was the plow king @ MOE'S :?:

Plowboy
12-05-2006, 10:09 PM
I am a Mr. Plow Fan :D ....now where was the plow king @ MOE'S :?:

Doh!! He was @ the Hyde Away.

freeheel_skier
12-05-2006, 10:12 PM
Were they serving Flaming Moe's again??? Damn Plow King.... :x

Plowboy
12-05-2006, 10:20 PM
Plow...thanks for those pics! I used to do the plow thing, brings back alot of terrible memories....:lol: like working 3 straight days, your so tired that after you plowed a driveway, you look at it and have no recollection of actually plowing it.

The most thankless(sp) job(18 years) I have ever done. Seems like you can never be @ the right place @ the right time. Plowcam :?: :?: :?: :?:

freeheel_skier
12-05-2006, 10:24 PM
Plow...thanks for those pics! I used to do the plow thing, brings back alot of terrible memories....:lol: like working 3 straight days, your so tired that after you plowed a driveway, you look at it and have no recollection of actually plowing it.

The most thankless(sp) job(18 years) I have ever done. Seems like you can never be @ the right place @ the right time. Plowcam :?: :?: :?: :?:



Forget the SB Cam! Where is the PLOW CAM :!: That is going to be the accurate barometer :o

Plowboy
12-05-2006, 10:32 PM
Barometer. :roll: :roll: :shock: :lol: :lol:

freeheel_skier
12-05-2006, 10:41 PM
Barometer. :roll: :roll: :shock: :lol: :lol:

Whaaa???

Plowboy
12-05-2006, 10:48 PM
Barometer. :roll: :roll: :shock: :lol: :lol:

Whaaa???

You have to ask Plow King that :?: not Plowboy aka Mr Plow.

freeheel_skier
12-05-2006, 10:52 PM
Barometer. :roll: :roll: :shock: :lol: :lol:

Whaaa???

You have to ask Plow King that :?: not Plowboy aka Mr Plow.

OK :shock: ...Next time I see Barney Gumble drinking Duffs @ the Hyde Away :P ...I will definitely ask....belch...him! :D

Tin Woodsman
12-05-2006, 10:53 PM
http://animatedtv.about.com/library/graphics/barney.jpg

Plowboy
12-05-2006, 11:03 PM
AAAAAYYYYYUUUUUUPPPPP That's the Plow King I know.

Abe Froman
12-05-2006, 11:10 PM
AAAAAYYYYYUUUUUUPPPPP That's the Plow King I know.

I saw the PK & MR. P hanging out in Frank 'n' Stein's many moons ago! Talk about being with STOOPID!

Plowboy
12-05-2006, 11:24 PM
AF it was Frank N Steins :lol:

Abe Froman
12-05-2006, 11:30 PM
AF it was Frank N Steins :lol:

Ouch! You beat me to my edit... :oops: That is what I get for being a wise A$$ :oops:

freeheel_skier
12-05-2006, 11:34 PM
I feel bad...this topic has been hijacked.....sorry :oops: It was Fun :lol:

Mike_451
12-05-2006, 11:42 PM
heh, well back to topic, uhh, its cold outside, I think, I am inside, I think its cold out because I feel a cold draft coming through the 200 year old wall that is to my back..... Untill i get some decent instrumentation, thats the best I can give you guys......

Plowboy
12-05-2006, 11:49 PM
I feel bad...this topic has been hijacked.....sorry :oops: It was Fun :lol:

:roll: :roll: