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noski
01-30-2006, 09:53 AM
I am going to post 2 questions- rather than overload you with one long one.

What do you like LEAST about the MRV (or VT) and what do you love MOST about it? and further, what is the one thing you WISH the MRV had....While levity/creativity is fine & fun, give this some thought, as it is meant as a serious question. Now to question #2....(next thread, please)

smootharc
01-30-2006, 10:17 AM
....a combined SB & MRG season's pass.

What's to dislike ? Still trying to figure that one....perhaps no good Mexican chow shack at the moment ?

noski
01-30-2006, 12:43 PM
....a combined SB & MRG season's pass.
I have been thinking about the logistics of this. We have the Ski The Valley lodging package ticket- so the dialog channel and relationship exists. How would, or could, it be priced in such a way that the two mountains do not incur a net decrease in revenue over stand-alone season passes?

Let's say the adult SB pass, early season rate, all mountain/all days is $1029. Mad River, adult, early season, is $680. If you price it at $1450- an arbitrary number- are we cannibalizing the Mad River pass purchases, or are we finding new pass buyers? Would you offer a whole different kind of pass in order to not cannibalize? limited usage/Mt Ellen only/blackout days?

ski_resort_observer
01-30-2006, 01:08 PM
This has been thrown around the conference table for years. I don't it will ever work and at present with all the cheap multi mountain deals it seems more unlikley. It's not that the two resorts don't get along...cause they do. The number you put forward is in the ballpark as to what has been discussed but I don't think there would be very many takers.

In the late 90's the Bush and Stowe had a SP together. There were many logistical problems. For example, when the Bush opened first those that purchased their passes thru Stowe had to get them at Stowe. In addition to the extra drive unfortunately Stowe's computer was down so they were SOL. People could not understand why the two resorts did not, would not, share databases. I talked to alot of angry people that day.

Little know fact about the Ski the Valley packages. Since MRG's lift tiks are less than the Bush's and is factored in the package rates you can get a Ski the Valley package and just ski the Bush and save a few bucks versus a regular Sugarbush package. Not alot but enough to buy a nice dinner or get stinking drunk apres ski. :lol:

If you really want to ski both the best way is to get a job with either as I believe each resort honor's the other's employee passes or at least they used to.

Tin Woodsman
01-30-2006, 02:21 PM
What I like least about the MRV outside of skiing is that there's no "there" there. It seems like a lot of the development is spread out between Warren, Waitsfield, Rt. 100, SB Access Rd, and Rt. 17. It's hard to get a sense of place while you're there whereas when you're at Stowe, you've got the town and Rt. 108. K-Mart is ugly for sure, but just about everything is on the access rd. There's no core to the MRV.

Also, it would be nice when entering the MRV from the major routes into it (from 100 through Granville Gulf, on 17 over Ap Gap, 100 from Waterbury and 100B in the Moretown area) to have signage welcoming you to the MRV to try and unite it in the visitor's mind as a single entity. Right now it's Warren and Waitsfield and maybe Fayston and Moretown in the minds of a few - it's not a cohesive whole.

I'm getting off-track here, but how about having a stand with those MRV visitor pamphlets right next to the ticket windows at SB and MRG (and Ole's, FWIW).

The properties on the Rt. 100 corridor between SB and Rt. 17 leave something to be desired. Seemingly lots of abandoned properties and some with just a bunch of junk lying around in the yard.

The information stand at the base of the SB access road looks like it's been abandoned for years. In fact, the entire gateway to SB at the base of the access rd is quite unattractive. Again, a lot of these things are entirely out of your control or are out of scope, but I'm just typing stream of consciousness here.

Riffing off of smootharc's idea, how about and MRG+ pass. This would be a pass good at MRG and at SB only on days when MRG isn't operating. Baseline price would be MRG's standard pass price plus an increment that would go to SB - maybe $150-200?

It would be great to have an integrated MRV trail system - both hiking and mtn biking - that took advantage of both ski areas and the rest of the valley area.

As for what I like most, it's the skiing, the people, and the VT vibe. No pretention. No attitude. I love the lack of crowds. I love that I can get fresh meat and produce at Mehurons. I love that the local ski areas are owned by locals (for the most part) and not by a faceless, unaccountable corporation. Sure I was disappointed that Gate House was down on Saturday, but it was nice to see Win blowing up people's cell phones trying to get it fixed. He wants to ski too!

noski
01-30-2006, 03:33 PM
AWESOME- Thanks! I have made comments on some of these, fwiw.....


What I like least about the MRV outside of skiing is that there's no "there" there. It seems like a lot of the development is spread out between Warren, Waitsfield, Rt. 100, SB Access Rd, and Rt. 17. It's hard to get a sense of place while you're there whereas when you're at Stowe, you've got the town and Rt. 108. K-Mart is ugly for sure, but just about everything is on the access rd. There's no core to the MRV.

Also, it would be nice when entering the MRV from the major routes into it (from 100 through Granville Gulf, on 17 over Ap Gap, 100 from Waterbury and 100B in the Moretown area) to have signage welcoming you to the MRV to try and unite it in the visitor's mind as a single entity. Right now it's Warren and Waitsfield and maybe Fayston and Moretown in the minds of a few - it's not a cohesive whole. This has been kicked around in different forms. Rt 100 is in the process of being named a "Scenic Highway". With that comes some $$- this endeavor would qualify under the Fed criteria. That would be a way to fund the project.


I'm getting off-track here, but how about having a stand with those MRV visitor pamphlets right next to the ticket windows at SB and MRG (and Ole's, FWIW). I'm on it.


The properties on the Rt. 100 corridor between SB and Rt. 17 leave something to be desired. Seemingly lots of abandoned properties and some with just a bunch of junk lying around in the yard. Can't help you with that one. Other than Hap's, I can't picture other offenders. I figure it's better to have all the junk cars in one place than all over the Valley in people's yards... They haul them out twice a year.


The information stand at the base of the SB access road looks like it's been abandoned for years. In fact, the entire gateway to SB at the base of the access rd is quite unattractive. Again, a lot of these things are entirely out of your control or are out of scope, but I'm just typing stream of consciousness here. Chamber is already negotiating with the landowner on this. Slow going, but is still moving forward.


Riffing off of smootharc's idea, how about and MRG+ pass. This would be a pass good at MRG and at SB only on days when MRG isn't operating. Baseline price would be MRG's standard pass price plus an increment that would go to SB - maybe $150-200?
Interesting comprimise..... Let me run that around a bit.


It would be great to have an integrated MRV trail system - both hiking and mtn biking - that took advantage of both ski areas and the rest of the valley area.


As for what I like most, it's the skiing, the people, and the VT vibe. No pretention. No attitude. I love the lack of crowds. I love that I can get fresh meat and produce at Mehurons. I love that the local ski areas are owned by locals (for the most part) and not by a faceless, unaccountable corporation. Sure I was disappointed that Gate House was down on Saturday, but it was nice to see Win blowing up people's cell phones trying to get it fixed. He wants to ski too! :D If you tell two friends, they'll tell two friends....

ski_resort_observer
01-30-2006, 04:07 PM
To echo Tin, the fallen down buildings at the bottom of the SB access IS a mess. Memory serves it's owned by someone out of the country(maybe Venezuala?) who could not care less about what it looks like. It's gotta be worth plenty. Then again, if it was torn down probably end up with some ugly convenience store there. The abandoned info center has become abit of a local joke. Curious if the pay phone is still there and working? Love the guy waving in the window.

I agree and disagree with the idea of no one central village like Stowe or Ludlow. Stowe Village is a classic but Rt 108 is alot of ugly sprawl heading up to the mountain. I look at the valley as having two villages, each with it's own character and charm. Irasville is another story entirely... :lol:

Tin Woodsman
01-30-2006, 04:19 PM
This has been kicked around in different forms. Rt 100 is in the process of being named a "Scenic Highway". With that comes some $$- this endeavor would qualify under the Fed criteria. That would be a way to fund the project.

Well that covers Rt. 100 (once the govt machinery cranks through - no telling timetables on that) but what about the Ap Gap and 100B? You'd need four signs, two for 100, and one each on the other roads. Standard design, big bright letters saying welcome to the MRV.


Can't help you with that one. Other than Hap's, I can't picture other offenders. I figure it's better to have all the junk cars in one place than all over the Valley in people's yards... They haul them out twice a year.
I guess I'm talking about the few places on the East side of the road with ugly 70s designs that look semi-abandoned. I think one is/was a hotel of some kind and it's hard to tell what the others are.


Chamber is already negotiating with the landowner on this. Slow going, but is still moving forward.
Which landowner? The one where the info booth is or the one across the street where that white house is busy falling down?
And regardless of which landowner you're talking about, is there any idea of dealing with the problem across the street?


If you tell two friends, they'll tell two friends....

I've told more than that this month alone. :D

noski
01-30-2006, 04:38 PM
This has been kicked around in different forms. Rt 100 is in the process of being named a "Scenic Highway". With that comes some $$- this endeavor would qualify under the Fed criteria. That would be a way to fund the project.

Well that covers Rt. 100 (once the govt machinery cranks through - no telling timetables on that) but what about the Ap Gap and 100B? You'd need four signs, two for 100, and one each on the other roads. Standard design, big bright letters saying welcome to the MRV. Gotcha- nice little MRV graphic and Welcome!



Can't help you with that one. Other than Hap's, I can't picture other offenders. I figure it's better to have all the junk cars in one place than all over the Valley in people's yards... They haul them out twice a year.
I guess I'm talking about the few places on the East side of the road with ugly 70s designs that look semi-abandoned. I think one is/was a hotel of some kind and it's hard to tell what the others are. The former hotel (Alpen Inn) is now Yestermorrow Design & Build School, but definite 70's design.



Chamber is already negotiating with the landowner on this. Slow going, but is still moving forward.
Which landowner? The one where the info booth is or the one across the street where that white house is busy falling down?
And regardless of which landowner you're talking about, is there any idea of dealing with the problem across the street? The information booth is on private property, not town property- and the falling-down house and barn on the corner of 100/Access Rd was removed last summer. Removed- as in bulldozed and burned- in exchange for being allowed to dismantle and keep the barn pieces that they took as payment for the job.


If you tell two friends, they'll tell two friends....

I've told more than that this month alone. :D[/quote]

smootharc
01-30-2006, 04:48 PM
Good ideas and observations. Get that man a gun.


Riffing off of smootharc's idea, how about and MRG+ pass. This would be a pass good at MRG and at SB only on days when MRG isn't operating. Baseline price would be MRG's standard pass price plus an increment that would go to SB - maybe $150-200?


I forgot about the logistics of my MRG pass....both my boys, and next year my girl, get season's passes on my one lousy adult pass. Can't beat that deal, and probably no way to merge that kind of pricing with a SB set up that replicates it.


It would be great to have an integrated MRV trail system - both hiking and mtn biking - that took advantage of both ski areas and the rest of the valley area.


Absolutely. At least a master marked topographic map......Mtn. biking, hiking, snow shoe with good parking / access spots, and perhaps some public/private land indicators. The Mad River Path assoc. is a nice place for some starter info, but there seems to be so much more...

Plowboy
01-30-2006, 07:14 PM
The properties on the Rt. 100 corridor between SB and Rt. 17 leave something to be desired. Seemingly lots of abandoned properties and some with just a bunch of junk lying around in the yard.

Rt. 100 is like that from begining to end. "One man's junk is another man's treasure" As property values rise, maybe some of this will change. But, I wouldn't hold my breath too long!

I agree the old Top Gas information booth should be utilized better. I know a couple x inn keepers put a lot of work into getting that going. Nice to see that the Chamber is working on it.

noski
01-30-2006, 11:05 PM
Absolutely. At least a master marked topographic map......Mtn. biking, hiking, snow shoe with good parking / access spots, and perhaps some public/private land indicators. The Mad River Path assoc. is a nice place for some starter info, but there seems to be so much more...
Guess what? There is a such a map. Come to the chamber or go to Clearwater Sports and pick one up for $5 or send me $5 and I will mail you a map. Honest. It is as good a map as we will have for awhile. Swim holes marked, all public trails, topo, call outs for Camels Hump access, etc.

smootharc
01-31-2006, 07:34 AM
Absolutely. At least a master marked topographic map......Mtn. biking, hiking, snow shoe with good parking / access spots, and perhaps some public/private land indicators. The Mad River Path assoc. is a nice place for some starter info, but there seems to be so much more...
Guess what? There is a such a map. Come to the chamber or go to Clearwater Sports and pick one up for $5 or send me $5 and I will mail you a map. Honest. It is as good a map as we will have for awhile. Swim holes marked, all public trails, topo, call outs for Camels Hump access, etc.

Thanks. I'll grab one at Clearwater this weekend. And just what do you think, I was born yesterday ? Sending some strange lady $5. Sheesh. How about I send you an $8 bill, and you send the map and keep the change ? I bet you've got a Tourist Information Kiosk on 100 for sale, cheap, too ! :lol:

Talisman
01-31-2006, 07:42 AM
What I like most about the MRV is the beauty of fields, farms, woods and mountains with fabulous relatively uncrowded skiing. The MRV isn't perfect but very scenic.

What I like least is the current lack of early morning breakfast in the MRV (ie someplace that opens at 6:00 AM and serves sit down food).

skibum1321
01-31-2006, 07:53 AM
Absolutely. At least a master marked topographic map......Mtn. biking, hiking, snow shoe with good parking / access spots, and perhaps some public/private land indicators. The Mad River Path assoc. is a nice place for some starter info, but there seems to be so much more...
Guess what? There is a such a map. Come to the chamber or go to Clearwater Sports and pick one up for $5 or send me $5 and I will mail you a map. Honest. It is as good a map as we will have for awhile. Swim holes marked, all public trails, topo, call outs for Camels Hump access, etc.
Does it have the mountain biking trails mapped? The MadRiverRiders site has a map that is poor at best. It would be great to see directions to trailheads and maps of the trails (similar to Fellowship of the Wheel). This is probably out of your jurisdiction, though.

noski
01-31-2006, 08:16 AM
Thanks. I'll grab one at Clearwater this weekend. And just what do you think, I was born yesterday ? Sending some strange lady $5. Sheesh. How about I send you an $8 bill, and you send the map and keep the change ? I bet you've got a Tourist Information Kiosk on 100 for sale, cheap, too ! :lol: Hey! I resemble that remark! I am not that strange. :wink:

noski
01-31-2006, 08:21 AM
Does it have the mountain biking trails mapped? The MadRiverRiders site has a map that is poor at best. It would be great to see directions to trailheads and maps of the trails (similar to Fellowship of the Wheel). This is probably out of your jurisdiction, though. The Mountain Biking routes are like the last frontier. Frankly, I liken it to your (collective) thoughts on backcountry skiing. One doesn't tell publicly where the stashes and secrets are to be found. You hook up with a local/regular and learn where, when and how. The Mtn Biking is the same. You are on private property quite often and with a local "guide" you learn the boundaries.

smootharc
01-31-2006, 08:59 AM
Frankly, I liken it to your (collective) thoughts on backcountry skiing. One doesn't tell publicly where the stashes and secrets are to be found. You hook up with a local/regular and learn where, when and how. The Mtn Biking is the same. You are on private property quite often and with a local "guide" you learn the boundaries.

...is the folks who aren't able to, or interested in, or aware of how to hook up with locals. They stumble and bumble around, ticking off the private owners, and access gets restricted. Everyone loses.

IMHO it is better to have clear instructions, trail maps, and boundries with regard to Mountain Biking. And unlike BC skiing, where first tracks is crucial, or at least preferred, Mtn. Biking trails don't hold anything equivalent to powder "stashes" that get chewed up or compromised by more traffic. The first roll through of the day isn't usually different from the last (except in terms of weather related), so the insider doesn't really get compromised from additional use. My .02.

skibum1321
01-31-2006, 11:26 AM
Frankly, I liken it to your (collective) thoughts on backcountry skiing. One doesn't tell publicly where the stashes and secrets are to be found. You hook up with a local/regular and learn where, when and how. The Mtn Biking is the same. You are on private property quite often and with a local "guide" you learn the boundaries.

...is the folks who aren't able to, or interested in, or aware of how to hook up with locals. They stumble and bumble around, ticking off the private owners, and access gets restricted. Everyone loses.

IMHO it is better to have clear instructions, trail maps, and boundries with regard to Mountain Biking. And unlike BC skiing, where first tracks is crucial, or at least preferred, Mtn. Biking trails don't hold anything equivalent to powder "stashes" that get chewed up or compromised by more traffic. The first roll through of the day isn't usually different from the last (except in terms of weather related), so the insider doesn't really get compromised from additional use. My .02.
Totally agree with you there. Advocacy groups like the Fellowship have done a great job in opening trails to the general public and I see this as nothing but good. There are obviously issues that need to be dealt with regarding access and it is good to have a unified front for opening the trails to all.

freeheel_skier
01-31-2006, 01:49 PM
I believe most of the land that the Fellowship maintains is public land (owned by the town). Most of Mtn. bike trails in the MRV are either accessed by private land, and or pass thru private land with permission from the land owners. Private Vs. Public. The Mad River Riders do a good job working with local private land owners.

Strat
01-31-2006, 05:29 PM
Absolutely. At least a master marked topographic map......Mtn. biking, hiking, snow shoe with good parking / access spots, and perhaps some public/private land indicators. The Mad River Path assoc. is a nice place for some starter info, but there seems to be so much more...
Guess what? There is a such a map. Come to the chamber or go to Clearwater Sports and pick one up for $5 or send me $5 and I will mail you a map. Honest. It is as good a map as we will have for awhile. Swim holes marked, all public trails, topo, call outs for Camels Hump access, etc.

Is it this map: http://www.mapadventures.com/pr_mad_river_vt_walk_ramble.htm ?

I found that one at Outdoor Gear Exchange in Burlington... don't know of a better one than that.

ski_resort_observer
01-31-2006, 07:42 PM
For the more adventurous minded the Catamount Trail for x-c and snowshoing is a treat. I have only done the section from the Sugarbush Inn to the Mad River Barn and it was alot of fun. For a Guide Book describing all 300 miles can be gotten here.
http://www.catamounttrail.org/index.html

mikec13
01-31-2006, 10:50 PM
As a weekend resident I LOVE the Valley! It has a feel like no other ski town in VT and NH...When I describe it to fellow flatlanders I point out that the area had a "reason to be" long before skiing became an industry...The history of the Valley is rich and the mix of local business owners, farmers, transplants, outdoor enthusiasts, and weekend visitors is perfect...I love the fact that it is not "postcard perfect" like Stowe, that it is not all about the mountain like Ludlow etc...I like the Valley like I like Sugarbush - 35% groomed!...A decent breakfast place would be nice but a breakfast sandwich at Paradise is a reasonable second best...I am sure there are many little things you could do to IMPROVE the MRV but please do not groom all of the WARTS because to me that is what makes the place REAL!

noski
02-01-2006, 09:08 AM
Absolutely. At least a master marked topographic map......Mtn. biking, hiking, snow shoe with good parking / access spots, and perhaps some public/private land indicators. The Mad River Path assoc. is a nice place for some starter info, but there seems to be so much more...
Guess what? There is a such a map. Come to the chamber or go to Clearwater Sports and pick one up for $5 or send me $5 and I will mail you a map. Honest. It is as good a map as we will have for awhile. Swim holes marked, all public trails, topo, call outs for Camels Hump access, etc.

Is it this map: http://www.mapadventures.com/pr_mad_river_vt_walk_ramble.htm ?

I found that one at Outdoor Gear Exchange in Burlington... don't know of a better one than that.
No, there is a MUCH better map now. It was issued Fall 2004, but MapAdventures was indeed the producer in conjunction with many local recreation-based organizations. Clearwater or Chamber, $5.

Lostone
02-01-2006, 09:57 AM
That sounds like a great map! I'll have to drop down and grab one.

On the original subject, swimming holes have been mentioned, but what I miss, around here, is lakes and ponds for swimming.

I grew up in the country, and there were always lakes around to swim in. Around here, there is the Res in Waterbury and Silver Lake in Brandon, but I've not found many other places where you can actually swim for some distance.

Are there some of those on that map, or are you guys going to start digging some out for me? 8) :wink:

smootharc
02-01-2006, 10:06 AM
That sounds like a great map! I'll have to drop down and grab one.

On the original subject, swimming holes have been mentioned, but what I miss, around here, is lakes and ponds for swimming.

I grew up in the country, and there were always lakes around to swim in. Around here, there is the Res in Waterbury and Silver Lake in Brandon, but I've not found many other places where you can actually swim for some distance.

Are there some of those on that map, or are you guys going to start digging some out for me? 8) :wink:

A pleasant place for a pond swim ? I thought that was public ????

As far as swimming holes....there is a guy Pancho Doll who got tons of national press for his swimming hole book and website (google him), but his review of Warren Falls was less than flattering, if I recall, mentioning lots of animal fecal matter. Not sure how he counted the bits.....

Another site, which loves Warren Falls and others in the valley:

http://www.swimmingholes.org/vt.html#MAD%20RIVER%20AREA

noski
02-01-2006, 11:04 AM
Hellooooo..... Blueberry Lake.... It has water in it now and I think you can swim pretty darned far. It is one of the bodies of water that is monitored biweekly by Friends of the Mad River during the warm months.

Mt St Pipier
02-01-2006, 11:38 AM
I'm a Masshole part-timer (condo owner up most weekends in winter), so bear with me...

Least favorite things
1) being on 89, 12 miles as the crow flies from MRV, but knowing I've got 50 minutes of driving left.
2) no convenience stores open by the time we get up there (11:00pm)
3) a central village area that once you get there, you can walk to many interesting shops (for wife and kids)
4) forgetting to call Flatbread at 4:31 and getting shut out (long waits elsewhere too)
5) the lack of Mexican food!
6) convenient place for my friends to rent snowmobiles - I may be wrong on this one

Favorite things
1) serenity
2) seeing deer, wild turkeys, various other wild animals
3) the lack of crowds (except during the restaurant rush)
4) the people
5) choice (MRG, South, North)
6) Paradise deli
7) options like sleigh rides, dog sledding, etc

Thing I'd most like to see: a complex that included an indoor skating rink, shops and restaurants for the family to spend several hours at (thus enabling me to spend all day on the mountain).

noski
02-01-2006, 03:18 PM
I'm a Masshole part-timer (condo owner up most weekends in winter), so bear with me...

Least favorite things
1) being on 89, 12 miles as the crow flies from MRV, but knowing I've got 50 minutes of driving left.
2) no convenience stores open by the time we get up there (11:00pm)
3) a central village area that once you get there, you can walk to many interesting shops (for wife and kids)
4) forgetting to call Flatbread at 4:31 and getting shut out (long waits elsewhere too)
5) the lack of Mexican food!
6) convenient place for my friends to rent snowmobiles - I may be wrong on this one).
Can't help you with 1, 3, 4, but I will speak to ICS/VG about considering closing later on Friday nights. That is reasonable to request.... and there sure are alot of Mexican food aficiandos out there I am learning! You are right about snow machines. No option here. Stowe Snowmobile Tours is best option, alternately Nichols in Stowe for low-thrills.


Favorite things
1) serenity
2) seeing deer, wild turkeys, various other wild animals
3) the lack of crowds (except during the restaurant rush)
4) the people
5) choice (MRG, South, North)
6) Paradise deli
7) options like sleigh rides, dog sledding, etc

Thing I'd most like to see: a complex that included an indoor skating rink, shops and restaurants for the family to spend several hours at (thus enabling me to spend all day on the mountain). One day the Skatium may indeed be covered, if not more than in a Pavilion style (like at Lareau Farm) to protect the ice from sun and rain, but remaining open air. The talk is rising on ramping up that operation.

Plowboy
02-01-2006, 04:06 PM
I had an excelent shrimp enchilada (sp) the other night at the Local Folk Smokehouse.

Taco Tuesday at the Hyde Away.

Strat
02-01-2006, 05:12 PM
Absolutely. At least a master marked topographic map......Mtn. biking, hiking, snow shoe with good parking / access spots, and perhaps some public/private land indicators. The Mad River Path assoc. is a nice place for some starter info, but there seems to be so much more...
Guess what? There is a such a map. Come to the chamber or go to Clearwater Sports and pick one up for $5 or send me $5 and I will mail you a map. Honest. It is as good a map as we will have for awhile. Swim holes marked, all public trails, topo, call outs for Camels Hump access, etc.

Is it this map: http://www.mapadventures.com/pr_mad_river_vt_walk_ramble.htm ?

I found that one at Outdoor Gear Exchange in Burlington... don't know of a better one than that.
No, there is a MUCH better map now. It was issued Fall 2004, but MapAdventures was indeed the producer in conjunction with many local recreation-based organizations. Clearwater or Chamber, $5.

Silly me... I didn't realize that the map in the link isn't the one I have... pretty sure I have the most updated one, has swimming holes and trails and stuff, though it's called "Mad River Valley: Long Trail Hikes."

noski
02-02-2006, 08:56 AM
Silly me... I didn't realize that the map in the link isn't the one I have... pretty sure I have the most updated one, has swimming holes and trails and stuff, though it's called "Mad River Valley: Long Trail Hikes."

That's the one! :)

Treehugger
02-03-2006, 10:56 AM
What about sidewalks?

noski
02-03-2006, 11:14 AM
What about sidewalks? Planning/public comment is nearly finished for Waitsfield sidewalk from School to Irasville.

I also know that Rt 100 is planned for repaving by the state this summer. Not sure from where to where, but I know it includes the Valley stretch (hope it means Duxbury too). Municipal water/sewer as well as tree planting are all in the queue- the trick being not to tear up the road more times than necessary.

smootharc
02-05-2006, 05:32 PM
What about sidewalks? Planning/public comment is nearly finished for Waitsfield sidewalk from School to Irasville.

I also know that Rt 100 is planned for repaving by the state this summer. Not sure from where to where, but I know it includes the Valley stretch (hope it means Duxbury too). Municipal water/sewer as well as tree planting are all in the queue- the trick being not to tear up the road more times than necessary.


....down by Hancock and lower was very well done, in my opinion.

Lostone
02-06-2006, 10:18 PM
to its own thread.

Experience has shown that cell phones will take up a significant amount of space, and I thought we might want to keep this thread going on its own way.

8)

littlerippers
02-09-2006, 01:26 PM
Why not just add on a limited number of days (say 5 for example) to either an MRG or SB full season pass for a set $ amt -- ie If you pay say $1,029 for early season SB pass that you can upgrade to a "SB+" pass for an additional ($100-150)?? and Vice-Versa -- It would seem to work well both ways -- and then each mts passholders could benefit from a bit of the MRV diversity that it has to offer w/o " disadvantaging either resort.??

OR how about a similar idea to the SB "Sugarcard" where you can pay a stated amt up front (one time/lifetime) and that entitles you to some stated discount at the other resort MRG or SB for day tix? Say $100 or so for the "MRG/SB Sugarcard" linked to one or the others season pass then 50% off 1 day lift tix at the other resort?

smootharc
02-09-2006, 04:25 PM
Why not just add on a limited number of days (say 5 for example) to either an MRG or SB full season pass for a set $ amt -- ie If you pay say $1,029 for early season SB pass that you can upgrade to a "SB+" pass for an additional ($100-150)?? and Vice-Versa -- It would seem to work well both ways -- and then each mts passholders could benefit from a bit of the MRV diversity that it has to offer w/o " disadvantaging either resort.??

OR how about a similar idea to the SB "Sugarcard" where you can pay a stated amt up front (one time/lifetime) and that entitles you to some stated discount at the other resort MRG or SB for day tix? Say $100 or so for the "MRG/SB Sugarcard" linked to one or the others season pass then 50% off 1 day lift tix at the other resort?

Good idea, and a win-win for each area, assuming passholders of either wouldn't be walk-up full ticket day pass buying folks otherwise. I will admit do doing just that myself, as I love MRG's pass/lesson programs, but love SB, too.

Lostone
02-09-2006, 09:17 PM
I agree it is a good idea. The problem with a split pass is that people would always pay for the cheaper one, no mater where they were skiing. It a limited number of times for the other, it would give people a taste of the other.

Also be good for the valley, as a whole... which is good for both mountains. 8)