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Chewbarka
02-12-2015, 03:41 PM
After yet another long weekend, I finished off Tuesday around 3 with two top to bottom runs on The Mall. There was so much uncut snow still on the trail that I'm beginning to think the woods get skied out before the trails do these days! While free falling down, hitting whichever bump had the most snow, I was wondering how this trail got it's name. With the new lift, we are all going to be looking at this forgotten gem much more, so these powder shots are going to be more limited in the future. It's just amazing on the hill these days. Amazing.

Anybody know how The Mall got it's name?

sugarbushskier
02-12-2015, 05:06 PM
Probably one of my finest memories at SB. 3 guys, skiers left, tight bumps and hearing "don't fall" as my heels were being tipped by my friend behind me reminds me of what a great trail this is. Must admit I've passed over it for Steins or runs down Twist or Moonshine, but will certainly make it a point to ski it before the new lift goes in.

In any event, conditions rock and everything in is in play. Have been hitting local areas of late with some great memories, but looking forward to getting back to MRV after the President's week crush.

More snow in the forecast..... Wow!

Dblshot
02-12-2015, 05:22 PM
n.


1737, "shaded walk serving as a promenade,"

Benski
02-13-2015, 05:53 AM
I think the mall is wider than last year and the bridge at the end was replaced. Last time I skied it I hit a few stumps on skiers left.

Chewbarka
02-13-2015, 05:53 PM
n.


1737, "shaded walk serving as a promenade,"

Dunno if this is the correct answer but I like it a lot!

jwt
02-22-2015, 08:58 AM
Dunno if this is the correct answer but I like it a lot!

Any word on the permitting? Need to focus on something positive ,but apparently excess regulation is holding the planned work up.

How many other lifts are being planned in the state of Vermont and how long does it take to determine that. Lot of silt cloth and hay bales can and will protect the water?

This is the state of business under the heavy Thumb of government.

Ooh for the 1960's

gostan
02-22-2015, 10:45 AM
Any word on the permitting? Need to focus on something positive ,but apparently excess regulation is holding the planned work up.

How many other lifts are being planned in the state of Vermont and how long does it take to determine that. Lot of silt cloth and hay bales can and will protect the water?

This is the state of business under the heavy Thumb of government.

Ooh for the 1960's
i have heard some unsubstantiated rumors that the VT 252 permit has been issued and that timing restrictions will necessitate work before this season ends.

Benski
02-22-2015, 02:45 PM
i have heard some unsubstantiated rumors that the VT 252 permit has been issued and that timing restrictions will necessitate work before this season ends.

Does that mean we won't end the season with valley house.

Does this mean it's time to start planing a funeral.

shadyjay
02-22-2015, 04:01 PM
Does that mean we won't end the season with valley house.

Does this mean it's time to start planing a funeral.

I'm pretty sure that's why we ended our snowmaking season hitting Downspout and Ripcord again, plus Gondolier. Stein's and Coffee Run were not part of the "depth" plan this season. I'd rather end the season up on Heaven's Gate than on Valley House/Stein's anyway. Though the way this winter is going, it looks like the VH side will close with substantial snow when construction gets underway.

I'm sure Win will elaborate on the plan.

jwt
02-22-2015, 07:03 PM
Does that mean we won't end the season with valley house.

Does this mean it's time to start planing a funeral.

My understanding is only building(s) going are mountain ops, but "Shroom and rest of the iconic Valley House remains. Looks to me like they will need to slightly alter the line of the VHC to the skiers left, take down some birch, and maybe use the foundation of the MO building as a loading area.
Anyway you look at it the mountain raises loading by 25% w/3 lifts from base as opposed to two - and far less wind hold issues assuming they stay within tree tops. Going out on a limb and suggesting we get a 5 year/1000000000000000000000 skier load guarantee of no breakdowns too!

Benski
02-22-2015, 11:35 PM
I was talking about a funeral for the lift.

HowieT2
02-23-2015, 09:10 AM
Any word on the permitting? Need to focus on something positive ,but apparently excess regulation is holding the planned work up.

How many other lifts are being planned in the state of Vermont and how long does it take to determine that. Lot of silt cloth and hay bales can and will protect the water?

This is the state of business under the heavy Thumb of government.

Ooh for the 1960's

oh yeah, the good ole 60's, when men were men and women knew their place (sarcasm). seriously, back in the good old 60's and 70's, sewage and toxic waste flowed directly into our waterways. our local utility, Coned, didn't bother manually clearing brush/trees from power lines, they sprayed agent orange. That's true btw. so can we lay off the pesky regulations meme. you can always go live in india or china, just bring a respirator so you can breathe the air.

jwt
02-23-2015, 09:39 AM
oh yeah, the good ole 60's, when men were men and women knew their place (sarcasm). seriously, back in the good old 60's and 70's, sewage and toxic waste flowed directly into our waterways. our local utility, Coned, didn't bother manually clearing brush/trees from power lines, they sprayed agent orange. That's true btw. so can we lay off the pesky regulations meme. you can always go live in india or china, just bring a respirator so you can breathe the air.

Moose (less) Man,

We're talking a few trees cut and some hay bales Howie! Relax! You need to to view some moose.

And Benski, yes, Funeral For a Friend is appropriate for that lift - some of my best runs ( at least when they were non-stop) were on that original Mall - will be shorter now, but bring it on!

I own chair # 3 from original Castlerock lift. Maybe they will sell these as well. ( Better yet, place it above Inverness to that ridge and boom! MEllen has options! - then we get into Nat Forest issues and south-facing aspect but look at the 'Rock!)

Skiing is great.

HowieT2
02-23-2015, 10:21 AM
Moose (less) Man,

We're talking a few trees cut and some hay bales Howie! Relax! You need to to view some moose.

And Benski, yes, Funeral For a Friend is appropriate for that lift - some of my best runs ( at least when they were non-stop) were on that original Mall - will be shorter now, but bring it on!

I own chair # 3 from original Castlerock lift. Maybe they will sell these as well. ( Better yet, place it above Inverness to that ridge and boom! MEllen has options! - then we get into Nat Forest issues and south-facing aspect but look at the 'Rock!)

Skiing is great.

I know what they need to do is no big deal and wont cause any harm, but as a lawyer, I can tell you that the rules are set up to prevent bad things from happening. So while we know replacing the lift is no big deal, they still have to go through the established procedures, notice requirements, approvals, etc. that are in place to prevent harm. personally, ive been saved by this. my house in NY abuts a 20 acre lake set up in the 1850's to provide water for steam locomotives. the current owner didnt want to spend the money to bring the dam up to code and was going to drain the lake. so instead of a nice boating, fishing ice skating spot it was going to be a stinking swamp so the huge corporation could save a couple of bucks. Luckily, because of pesky regulations, they had to notify us and we were able to rally the community to save the lake and now we have an 85 acre park.

I do need to see a moose. It seems everyday there is another sighting (I cant believe all these people are in on this hoax) and yet 'nothing for me. and not for lack of trying.

win
02-23-2015, 11:27 AM
Preparing the permits now. Need detailed drawings from Dopplemayr for submission as well as a lot of detail concerning demolition of lifts, reconstruction
Of base area, and blasting rock at top of Valley House. We have signed a contract with Dopplemayr. It everything goes as planned need to complete blasting
By May1st and want to start dissembling VH double in April.

So the spring area after Easter will be HG and Bravo trails to skier left of VH traverse, that is where the extra snow was made,

We are also keeping ME open an extra week through Easter Sunday.

gostan
02-23-2015, 12:03 PM
Preparing the permits now. Need detailed drawings from Dopplemayr for submission as well as a lot of detail concerning demolition of lifts, reconstruction
Of base area, and blasting rock at top of Valley House. We have signed a contract with Dopplemayr. It everything goes as planned need to complete blasting
By May1st and want to start dissembling VH double in April.

So the spring area after Easter will be HG and Bravo trails to skier left of VH traverse, that is where the extra snow was made,

We are also keeping ME open an extra week through Easter Sunday.Thanks for the info Win. All well worth it in the long run! Good luck keeping to schedule.

Benski
02-23-2015, 01:09 PM
I hope they gave you a discount or threw a refund on the repairs they did this summer because it seems like they downgraded the lifts reliability.

gostan
02-23-2015, 01:43 PM
I hope they gave you a discount or threw a refund on the repairs they did this summer because it seems like they downgraded the lifts reliability. Ben, I assume the more business that you do, the better the price and service, but it is definitely not like going to Home Depot or Lowes for a particularly hard to find torx screw, & finding out that neither has it, and then being able to go down the road to the specialized local long in existence (still?) hardware store, to find one. Also, I know that I was never able to get my former MGB repaired by Toyota. And some of the lifts are akin to long out of production so called British sports cars.

jwt
02-23-2015, 08:03 PM
Ben, I assume the more business that you do, the better the price and service, but it is definitely not like going to Home Depot or Lowes for a particularly hard to find torx screw, & finding out that neither has it, and then being able to go down the road to the specialized local long in existence (still?) hardware store, to find one. Also, I know that I was never able to get my former MGB repaired by Toyota. And some of the lifts are akin to long out of production so called British sports cars.

Famous quote from 'Mater' in the second Cars movie '( referring to Land Rovers - but English engineering in general) ' if there's' no oil under 'em then there's no oil in 'em'!

Sorry, couldn't resist Stan.

I get the excuses thing too - but it's not like they are cheaping out, they are having a very long bad run. I'd be as peed as the next guy if I'm on that lift or skiing that side and that happened to me - just hasn't . . . yet.

Saving cash on snow making though. . . . .

HowieT2
02-23-2015, 09:21 PM
On the bright side, there was plenty of untracked powder in exterminator woods.....and tumbler woods....and moose run.....and about a half dozen others. That's what it's all about.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/01/travel/snow-snow-snow-and-the-east-coast-skiers-rejoice.html?emc=eta1

Benski
02-26-2015, 02:35 PM
With blasting going on at the top of valley house how will the top of the lift look during April?

Dblshot
02-26-2015, 03:02 PM
A pile of rock....April will be Bravo -> HG

Benski
02-27-2015, 01:07 AM
I guess that means snowball and the mall will be closer most of April but what about stiens

Benski
02-27-2015, 01:24 AM
Why not switch to mount Ellen this spring to avoids the construction all together.

angler
02-27-2015, 02:16 PM
I guess that means snowball and the mall will be closer most of April but what about stiens

Not sure how they could blast that side and have it open. It would be a attorneys wet dream, sorry Howie :)

Dblshot
03-16-2015, 04:29 PM
I think it has been mentioned before but PLEASE keep the towers low under the tree line. Sunday was a classic example of riding Bravo in a hurricane and VH being calm because it is below the gusts that were rocking the tops of the trees. I like the uncomfortably low chairs especially when skiing, I think it is part of the character of the Mall.

Benski
03-17-2015, 01:51 AM
I think it has been mentioned before but PLEASE keep the towers low under the tree line. Sunday was a classic example of riding Bravo in a hurricane and VH being calm because it is below the gusts that were rocking the tops of the trees. I like the uncomfortably low chairs especially when skiing, I think it is part of the character of the Mall.
It has been mentioned and I believe your request has been granted.

win
03-21-2015, 01:48 PM
The idea is to keep the lift protected by the trees and with a lower unload at the top making it less vulnerable to wind. That is where the current lift is impacted. Also quad chairs are heavier with also means less wind impact.

As I mentioned we will start to take lift down on Monday, April 6thth. If we get work done and equipment safely stored, we might be able to open Valley Traverse to access those trail one final weekend, but I can not promise that.. We will if we can. As was also mentioned extra snow was made on Ripcord, Downspout, Lower Downspout, Coffee Run and Gondolier with hope of skiing top to bottom off of Bravo and HG through first weekend of May.

othripper
03-22-2015, 06:48 AM
Win,

Any word on when the chair will go on sale? I used to have a gondola that I lost in a divorce, I would love to get a chair from the Valley House. It will be good to be able to ski off the summit this year. Perhaps it will be the preferred spring option. There's nothing like being on top of the world of a warm, bluebird, late spring day and skiing corn with your friends.

southvillager
03-22-2015, 06:49 AM
Just curious, what will become of the VH double? Scrap metal? Re-deployed with new uprights to carry skiers up from parking? Cut up and sold as souvenirs? Sold to an unsuspecting theme park?

southvillager
03-22-2015, 06:50 AM
great minds think alike...

Hawk
03-23-2015, 09:34 AM
Count me In. I want one.

HowieT2
03-23-2015, 10:15 AM
Count me In. I want one.

We got an old chair from Butternut some years ago and set it up in front of our house. great thing.

Brew Ski
03-23-2015, 02:14 PM
Count me In. I want one.

Yup, I'd buy one and make it a feature seat in my condo. No better decor than a chair lift to relax in and wish for the next Nor'easter to blow in!

Benski
03-23-2015, 03:47 PM
Yup, I'd buy one and make it a feature seat in my condo. No better decor than a chair lift to relax in and wish for the next Nor'easter to blow in!

I have to say the valley house might have the worst chairs to sit in. I hope the valley house quad has chairs that are like the ones at north vs super bravo.

Brew Ski
03-23-2015, 04:05 PM
I have to say the valley house might have the worst chairs to sit in. I hope the valley house quad has chairs that are like the ones at north vs super bravo.

Seats get more comfortable with a quilt or pillow. I might fasten a drink holder to both uprights, and if space allows, make it so it gently swings. Just like during a nor'easter but without the cold wind and with an adult beverage. :-)

shadyjay
03-23-2015, 05:17 PM
I hope the valley house quad has chairs that are like the ones at north vs super bravo.

Agree, the ones at north are much more comfortable than Bravo. Reason being - the quads at north are all Poma-built lifts. They have the thick padding on them. Doppelmayr built Super Bravo and Gate House, and for some reason, they go with the foam padding. Not as comfortable. I'm sure a ski area could request to their manufacturer as to what kind of seat padding they would like, but if Doppelmayr gets the contract (which IIRC they are leaning that way), I'd guess we'll see something similar to Bravo/Gate House. I could be wrong, though.

The Village chair is also comfortable to sit in, since its chairs were put in by Poma at some point during the 1980s(?) It'd be nice to see those chairs go over to replace Sunny D's chairs when Village eventually gets replaced.

shadyjay
03-23-2015, 08:17 PM
And here's one for y'all to see in the AM....


Groomers plan to smooth 51 trails tonight, including the rarely groomed Mall.

(on this afternoon's snow report on sugarbush.com)



Since Twist and Moonshine are not on the report, I guess they're doing the whole thing. When was the last time The Mall was groomed, top2bottom? The lower half gets groomed a couple times a year (as part of the Twist grooming), but I've never seen any mention of the whole thing getting done.

cdskier
03-23-2015, 10:16 PM
When was the last time The Mall was groomed, top2bottom? The lower half gets groomed a couple times a year (as part of the Twist grooming), but I've never seen any mention of the whole thing getting done.

I was wondering the same thing when I saw this on the report. I don't remember it being groomed any time within at least the last 2-3 years.

Benski
03-24-2015, 03:42 AM
I don't remember the mall ever being groomed.

Hawk
03-24-2015, 06:50 AM
I have never seen them groom it. You all know my opinion about groom natural snow trails. Not good. The bumps are really nice, well spaced and just need the spring warmth to make them alive again. Grooming it just dumbs it down for the intermediates and ruins the bump lines. Arg!!!!!

sbskier
03-24-2015, 07:08 AM
There getting it ready to start working on it probably pushing all the snow off the trail

Hawk
03-24-2015, 07:20 AM
Doah!!!! ;-)

there getting it ready to start working on it probably pushing all the snow off the trail

win
03-24-2015, 08:05 AM
Yes, a flat Mall is necessary to help with the take down of the rope and towers. With warmer temperatures coming in, this looked like the right night to do it.
It was groomed once about nine tears ago. That is the only time I remember it being groomed.

Chairs have been going fast and almost spoken for. Email me at wsmith@sugarbush.com. Will keep a waiting list when all
Chairs are sold.

Hawk
03-24-2015, 08:43 AM
OK I can understand that. If it helps us get the new lift going then by all mean. Thanks for the clarification Win.

Benski
03-24-2015, 04:44 PM
Out of curiosity what is the reason for starting work before the end of the season?

shadyjay
03-24-2015, 07:24 PM
Out of curiosity what is the reason for starting work before the end of the season?

It's not as simple as an in-kind lift replacement. The project involves blasting, trail re configurations, and relocating existing mountain operations facilities. Best to get a jump on it ASAP.

Benski
03-27-2015, 08:49 PM
When will the valley house close for good. It usually does not run at the same time as bravo after a certain point in the season.

Hawk
03-28-2015, 04:16 PM
Win has stated that Starting Monday 4/6 the lift will be closed as well as all the terrain south of Murphys. So if you want to ski steins, Mall, Lexis, Etc. you had better get it by next weekend. After that it will be Bravo and Heavens Gate for the spring combo. By the looks of the runout at Castlerock, that will not be that long for this world either. Better get out and get it!

shadyjay
03-28-2015, 04:59 PM
For those who missed it this week, the Mall is getting yet another t2b roll tonight by the groomers, according to the snow report.

[So is Cliffs at ME... first roll of the season for that trail I believe]

gostan
03-30-2015, 05:35 AM
For those who missed it this week, the Mall is getting yet another t2b roll tonight by the groomers, according to the snow report.

[So is Cliffs at ME... first roll of the season for that trail I believe] I did nott get to Cliffs, but I picked up a couple of great runs at the Mall. 😬

ducky
03-30-2015, 06:21 AM
Cliffs got "gruined".

Dblshot
03-30-2015, 07:16 AM
Sure would have been nice to have made a second pass to even it out and fill in the holes. On the other hand Rim Run and Elbow were great.

Benski
03-30-2015, 09:54 AM
Same on the mall. The mall was also a sheet of ice. Thank god my edges were sharpened the night before.

gostan
03-30-2015, 01:40 PM
Sharp edges helped all over the mountain this past weekend.

HowieT2
03-30-2015, 02:01 PM
Sharp edges helped all over the mountain this past weekend.

I heard LP was scraped on saturday. We skied mt ellen. no edges needed. plenty of powder. black diamond and upper FIS were in as good a condition as I've ever experienced. exterminator and bravo also in great shape. Didnt ski below the NRX except to end day

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/VnQHur4ug1Q?list=UU6YNsO3ZIfhsWvyCO46wfTw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

https://youtu.be/VnQHur4ug1Q?list=UU6YNsO3ZIfhsWvyCO46wfTw

Hawk
03-30-2015, 02:22 PM
Lincoln Peak was good up top and even better where lightly tracked. Did some exploring Howie. You would have liked it.

Mall was exactly as expected. What have I been saying about grooming the natural snow trails. Whatever. We only get to ski it for another week in it's original condition and before they modify it and they killed it. Oh well. It is what it is.

HowieT2
03-30-2015, 03:06 PM
Lincoln Peak was good up top and even better where lightly tracked. Did some exploring Howie. You would have liked it.

Mall was exactly as expected. What have I been saying about grooming the natural snow trails. Whatever. We only get to ski it for another week in it's original condition and before they modify it and they killed it. Oh well. It is what it is.

how did Terry like those Blizzards ? 104mm underfoot? I think my daughter demo'd the same ones yesterday.

Hawk
03-30-2015, 03:13 PM
Loved them. So much that she bought a pair. Yes they are 104 under foot. Basically the same as my Peacemakers. Great ski.

djd66
03-30-2015, 04:01 PM
Man,... the skiing on LP sucked compared to what you were skiing on ME. Wish I had made the trip over there. Is next weekend the last weekend at ME?

shadyjay
03-30-2015, 04:20 PM
Is next weekend the last weekend at ME?

ME closes for the season on Sunday 4/5. It is open every day until then, unlike the past couple years when it's only been open for the "bonus weekend" and that has usually only been a couple of lifts.

Heads up, though... no Mad Bus service of any kind during the week... including the LP-ME shuttle. Slide Brook lift is scheduled to run throughout the week (depending on wind - it was closed today, as was most of upper mtn at LP). If you dip into Slide Brook woods, there will be no shuttle service... until Saturday.

HowieT2
03-30-2015, 04:31 PM
Man,... the skiing on LP sucked compared to what you were skiing on ME. Wish I had made the trip over there. Is next weekend the last weekend at ME?

it was, but the video was from an undisclosed location that doesnt see much traffic and, in fact, was completely untracked until we took care of our business.

Benski
03-30-2015, 04:47 PM
We only get to ski it for another week in it's original condition and before they modify it and they killed it. Oh well. It is what it is.
Is black diamond that much wider that the mall so will it need to be significantly wider. I think the biggest change will be the lack of big towers in the middle of the trail.

Hawk
03-31-2015, 06:33 AM
I don't think they will widen Mall in general, Just the bottom to accommodate the new path to down below. I was referring to the grooming of the bumps when I said they "killed it". I was planning on skiing the full length of the original trail a few times before they changed it. I was also planning on taking some pictures and making a framed collage of the old chair. Now it will not have any bumps and not look like the typical classic old style trail. Oh well. Maybe I have some photos on file that I could use. Believe me I am psyched for the new lift. I just want to send off the old trail with some classic Mall bumps.

Hawk
03-31-2015, 06:42 AM
I actually was at both on Saturday although I was just passing through North and only did one run before departing into the woods. Conditions were similar at lease where I skied. The trails were another story as they were icy in general and we avoided at all cost. Hueys, 21/22, Ripdise, Rock-n-Rumble and Orchid were skiing tremendously. We went looking for Howie's Moose. Did not see it but there were plenty of signs. I think that skiing last weekend was good in general all over the resort.

win
04-02-2015, 10:04 AM
I think this was been answered but I will clarify. We are widening Valley Traverse above the entrance to Steins. This will require first cutting down the tress and then blasting the ledge and remove the rock and grading the trails. USFS requires us to blast prior to May 1st so as not to disturb nesting of Bicknell Thrush. That is why the Valley House side needs to be closed early.

sglatham
04-02-2015, 12:36 PM
The widening of Valley House Travers and the removal of the old lift terminal/placement of new lift terminal will eliminate one of the worst and most dangerous intersections on the mountain. Can't wait to ski it next year.

Having another lift to exit the base area, and one which should be less wind affected, will also be a huge difference maker.

Major improvements. And "on mountain" too!

Very nice.

Hawk
04-02-2015, 02:24 PM
Totally agree. I bet this one lift will totally change the line issues.

The widening of Valley House Travers and the removal of the old lift terminal/placement of new lift terminal will eliminate one of the worst and most dangerous intersections on the mountain. Can't wait to ski it next year.

Having another lift to exit the base area, and one which should be less wind affected, will also be a huge difference maker.

Major improvements. And "on mountain" too!

Very nice.

HowieT2
04-02-2015, 03:49 PM
Totally agree. I bet this one lift will totally change the line issues.

It's huge.

meanwhile, I have to be in NJ saturday night with family. latest NWS forecast for 3000' elevation has 6-10" saturday.

Benski
04-02-2015, 04:19 PM
The widening of Valley House Travers and the removal of the old lift terminal/placement of new lift terminal will eliminate one of the worst and most dangerous intersections on the mountain. Can't wait to ski it next year.


According to ski patrol there are little to no injuries. I would assume that cant pass though that intersection with enough speed to get hurt from the impact if you collided with someone.

phin
04-03-2015, 10:00 AM
its more of an annoyance than anything

Fourwide
04-03-2015, 10:37 AM
The sharp right turn required to exit the chair at the top is also challenging for novice skiers. Improvement all around.

Hawk
04-04-2015, 07:31 AM
You should "Passover" the Family and head up by yourself! Snow hard right now. Looks to be good. Wind may be a factor so we will have our skinning gear at the ready.

It's huge.

meanwhile, I have to be in NJ saturday night with family. latest NWS forecast for 3000' elevation has 6-10" saturday.

win
04-04-2015, 11:48 AM
What a difference a days makes in the Mountains. Quite a bit of rain before it changed over to some snow. Not as much as he had hoped for. It is "sporty" skiing. Some powder where the wind blew it and some moonscape made by the wind. Very windy at the summits and ME is impacted more than LP so we are allowing ME passholders to ski LP this afternoon so they can enjoy a final weekend as much as possible. Things should groom out well tonight, so we are hoping for a nice Sunday.

Boxtop Willie
04-05-2015, 08:40 PM
And what a Sunday it was.
Drive to the hill from Fayston at 6:30am to make the Easter Service by the Rev at Allyn's. Almost white out conditions. Cars off the road on German Flats. Windy, mid-winter, snow dumping ride up Super Bravo. Rev does a lovely service. Get out of Allyn's to 6 inches of fresh. Crowd goes student body left down Downspout. A few head right across traverse to Snowball. Wife likes fresh on groomed, she's in heaven. Moonshine was possibly the best all winter. Second run took kids through Eden, absolutely amazing for April 5. Third run down lower Domino...can it get any better than this? Coffee in the lodge at 9:30 and I'm already gassed.
Woods great all day. Head to North, Exterminator woods fantastic. Finding fresh untracked all day. Last run at 3:30 and still finding untracked in the woods.
Go into the lodge at North and they're giving away free pizza. (Thanks, Win). Perfect Day? Possibly. Best ever for April.
I'm old. The knees hurt...they hurt so good.

HowieT2
04-05-2015, 09:00 PM
And what a Sunday it was.
Drive to the hill from Fayston at 6:30am to make the Easter Service by the Rev at Allyn's. Almost white out conditions. Cars off the road on German Flats. Windy, mid-winter, snow dumping ride up Super Bravo. Rev does a lovely service. Get out of Allyn's to 6 inches of fresh. Crowd goes student body left down Downspout. A few head right across traverse to Snowball. Wife likes fresh on groomed, she's in heaven. Moonshine was possibly the best all winter. Second run took kids through Eden, absolutely amazing for April 5. Third run down lower Domino...can it get any better than this? Coffee in the lodge at 9:30 and I'm already gassed.
Woods great all day. Head to North, Exterminator woods fantastic. Finding fresh untracked all day. Last run at 3:30 and still finding untracked in the woods.
Go into the lodge at North and they're giving away free pizza. (Thanks, Win). Perfect Day? Possibly. Best ever for April.
I'm old. The knees hurt...they hurt so good.

Left ny around 6:45. Skied mt Ellen. I'm beat. Great day. Lower fis ftw.

djd66
04-06-2015, 07:55 AM
Skiing yesterday was one of the best days of the year for us. We had plenty of powder days this season - but none with a clear sky, warm temps + no wind! I felt like i was out west. There is just so much snow still on the ground - ALL woods are still in play. The mountain was empty - I was getting fresh tracks all day in the woods. Is there bus service from Slide Brook anymore?

Hawk
04-06-2015, 09:09 AM
Bus Service ended with the closing of Mt. Ellen this Sunday.

Benski
04-06-2015, 03:19 PM
Skied today. There was a huge pile of snow blocking off Valley House Traverse. They were taking chairs off the line today and moving them to the groomer enclosure. The base is still deep and it was snowing hard enough you could not see anywhere near the top of the valley house most of the day.

bushbum1980
04-07-2015, 06:32 AM
Lurker here but have some friends heading up this morning and said the snow report is showing 15" in the last 48 hours! Is that another 15" since Sunday morning (48 hours ago)??!! I may need to head up and join my friends as I can't imagine what the skiing must be like with another 15" on top of the snow that fell Friday night and Saturday.

24 hrs: 4-3-0"
48 hrs: 15-10-2"

Tuesday, April 7th, 2015
6:40 AM

Spring hours are in effect, but Mother Nature didn't get the memo. With 15" in 48 hours, it might as well be mid-winter at Sugarbush! We received another inch at the summit since yesterday afternoon and wet snow is currently coming down at the base.

win
04-07-2015, 12:50 PM
The trees are almost off. Next comes the Haul Rope. WE have been cutting down the trees on the right side of Valley Traverse where we plan to blast and widen the traverse. We will be attempting to get the traverse cleared and safe for the weekend so there is a chance (not a certainty yet) that we will be able to open the trails over there with the exception of The Mall and Lower Twist. Will keep you posted.

djd66
04-07-2015, 01:05 PM
Thanks for the update Win,... that would be awesome to get some more runs on that section of the mountain - if it does open. What a winter - reminds me of 2007 when we had all that spring snow!

Benski
04-07-2015, 03:13 PM
Great day today. Plenty of soft bumps. Nice to here the trails over there might be open for the weekend although moving the 7 foot wall of snow from the top of the traverse might be a bit of a pain in the neck. It looked like the chairs were all off by 330.

HowieT2
04-07-2015, 10:30 PM
Lurker here but have some friends heading up this morning and said the snow report is showing 15" in the last 48 hours! Is that another 15" since Sunday morning (48 hours ago)??!! I may need to head up and join my friends as I can't imagine what the skiing must be like with another 15" on top of the snow that fell Friday night and Saturday.

24 hrs: 4-3-0"
48 hrs: 15-10-2"

Tuesday, April 7th, 2015
6:40 AM

Spring hours are in effect, but Mother Nature didn't get the memo. With 15" in 48 hours, it might as well be mid-winter at Sugarbush! We received another inch at the summit since yesterday afternoon and wet snow is currently coming down at the base.

The snow reports have been a bit funky. That total is from Saturday onward. And it's April. It's heavy wet snow so it compacts quickly and significantly. It's not like we r skiing boot deep Champlain powder. Don't get me wrong, conditions are great. Put it this way, it's not often you see lower birdland with full coverage on 4/7.

HowieT2
04-07-2015, 10:37 PM
The trees are almost off. Next comes the Haul Rope. WE have been cutting down the trees on the right side of Valley Traverse where we plan to blast and widen the traverse. We will be attempting to get the traverse cleared and safe for the weekend so there is a chance (not a certainty yet) that we will be able to open the trails over there with the exception of The Mall and Lower Twist. Will keep you posted.

Win, curious, how does one remove a haul rope?
Also, what happens to the old tower bases.? I assume they are demolished to below grade but on morning star there is that one concrete foundation that sticks out that looks like it was from a previous lift tower.

Brew Ski
04-08-2015, 04:51 PM
Win, curious, how does one remove a haul rope?
Also, what happens to the old tower bases.? I assume they are demolished to below grade but on morning star there is that one concrete foundation that sticks out that looks like it was from a previous lift tower.

Having worked and shortened a tow rope on a lift at K-mart many moons ago, they take the weight off the counter balance that is on the end of a lift. This causes the haul rope to slacken. Then they take the rope off the sheave trains. Since they are disassembling this lift, they could"un-splice" the haul rope and just pull from one end and coil it up on a massive reel. This would make sense if it will be used again.

HowieT2
04-08-2015, 07:54 PM
Having worked and shortened a tow rope on a lift at K-mart many moons ago, they take the weight off the counter balance that is on the end of a lift. This causes the haul rope to slacken. Then they take the rope off the sheave trains. Since they are disassembling this lift, they could"un-splice" the haul rope and just pull from one end and coil it up on a massive reel. This would make sense if it will be used again.
Huh.
I hope we get some kind of time lapse video of the whole process from dismantling the old lift to installing the new lift.

win
04-10-2015, 10:39 AM
The rope was cut and top part pulled down Spring Fling and other piece wrapped about a spool wheel and drawn down the Mall. The Towers will be scrap metal.

Work went well this week with Chair and Cable off, so we have cleaned up the Traverse and all trails with exception of The Mall and Lower Twist will be open this weekend. Work will likely resume on Monday so The Traverse will be shut again. Once we get the final Act 250 permit we will be preparing to blast the ledge on skiers right where the widening will occur.

Chewbarka
04-10-2015, 11:19 AM
Fantastic. Thank you!
The rope was cut and top part pulled down Spring Fling and other piece wrapped about a spool wheel and drawn down the Mall. The Towers will be scrap metal.

Work went well this week with Chair and Cable off, so we have cleaned up the Traverse and all trails with exception of The Mall and Lower Twist will be open this weekend. Work will likely resume on Monday so The Traverse will be shut again. Once we get the final Act 250 permit we will be preparing to blast the ledge on skiers right where the widening will occur.

shadyjay
04-10-2015, 05:45 PM
I've been taking some pictures of the progress which I'll share in a few days on my Facebook page as a public album. It's been pretty neat to come in each morning/afternoon and see the progress being made!

Also it seems the website is a little off with the hours of lifts.... Weekends, Bravo will run 9AM-5PM, all other lifts 10AM-4PM. Just a heads up for those coming up to enjoy the fun!

Dblshot
04-10-2015, 06:37 PM
What is the record number of days Castle Rock has been open in one season? And then consecutive days? I would think 116 is close if not the record. Pretty awesome!

ManyTurns
04-11-2015, 07:28 AM
I would love to see how the cable is spliced. I hope the cable splicing is captured on video and posted.

win
04-11-2015, 10:25 AM
We think the CR record is 130 for both and that was two years ago. Remember the 100" of snow in December?

cdskier
04-12-2015, 09:30 PM
I remember a lot of snow in December, but I also remember a lot of thawing that year. I tend to not delete a lot of my e-mails and went back to the trail reports from 2013 to see if I could figure it out. The best I can tell Castlerock chair opened on 12/27/2012. It then closed sometime in mid-January. The report from 1/16/13 said "Our Patrol staff has been shoveling snow, so that we can re-open Castlerock and several other natural snow trails in the next day or two."

Then the lift closed again around 3/11/13. CR reopened 3/15 for hiking access only. CR lift access then resumed 3/19 or 3/20. CR closed for the season that year 4/7.

At least for continuous access, I think CR this year definitely wins over 2 years ago and may possibly even already have more total days than that year since from what I found it opened earlier this year than 2012/2013 and is already open later than it was that season.

shadyjay
04-13-2015, 07:46 PM
Worked the 'Rock today. I still can't believe how good the coverage is on some trails, including Middle Earth. Even the "Jaws" is well covered. Portions of LL and CR require some "picking your way down", and patrol had to shovel a pathway on the "connection" where it pops out of the woods at the lift line, to get around the bend. The runout is still in good shape with good coverage, albeit slow going.

Heading back to the locker room, I noticed the removal of the Valley House lift has resumed after taking the weekend off. Towers are now coming down. About 4 of them are removed, being staged on Spring Fling for now.

It was so cool to be able to have the Valley House side of the mtn available for the weekend. Sunday was very busy and conditions on that side of the mtn were great. I was psyched to get yet another last run on fav's like Twist/Moonshine, Stein's, Spring Fling, and Snowball.

ManyTurns
04-18-2015, 09:08 AM
The April 16 edition of the Valley Reporter has an article entitled "Sugarbush could encounter issues with lift replacement." The article states that Sugarbush has received permission from the Forest Service for the lift replacement, but is still waiting to hear from the state's Natural Resources Board and the Warren Development Review board. It says that Sugarbush is hoping the permits will be approved quickly. The potential hangup is that the project will not be compliant with codes regarding wetlands. The existing structures are non-compliant however, and Sugarbush maintains that the removal the operations building will reduce the non-compliance.

Hopefully, the remaining permitting will go smoothly.

shadyjay
05-04-2015, 05:03 PM
Alright, this "SHOULD" be accessible to anyone who has a Facebook account. It's a public album showing the progress since April of the removal of the Valley House lift:

https://www.facebook.com/shadyjay/media_set?set=a.10205638380377459.1073741864.11924 30681&type=1

teleo
05-04-2015, 06:39 PM
Nice shots. Thanks for posting.

gostan
05-05-2015, 05:31 AM
Jay,
Keep the pics coming.
GRACIAS

shadyjay
05-05-2015, 03:35 PM
Ironically, less than a day after I post my Valley House album, the official Sugarbush FB page has also created the exact same album, albeit with better pics. Coincidence?

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153318783028384.1073741875.191921863383&type=1

Benski
05-05-2015, 04:12 PM
btw the posted some stats about the new lift. the capacity will be 1800 people an hour as opposed to 750 and the ride time will be 8 minuets. I think 1800 people an hour is the maximum capacity for a triple.

Benski
06-05-2015, 04:49 PM
What happened to the valley house construction. I see mountain ops and the lower terminal are still there. Are they still working on the lift? Seems like they have had more than enough time to finish demolition.

teleo
06-05-2015, 05:01 PM
They just recently got the act 250 permit for that work a:cording to win's blog.

cdskier
06-05-2015, 06:54 PM
Plenty of time to have it done before the snow falls...I'm just happy they actually got the ACT 250 permit! I still can't believe Mountainside didn't get their ACT 250 to rebuild...

Benski
06-05-2015, 07:17 PM
I still can't believe Mountainside didn't get their ACT 250 to rebuild...
What! That sucks for the residents if that is true.

teleo
06-05-2015, 07:38 PM
That is true. http://valleyreporter.com/index.php/en/news/news/10579-mountainside-denied-an-act-250-permit

They have plenty of time to put the lift in. I was surprised when that they took the valley chair out before they had the act 250. I thought win was more conservative than that.

But all the permits seem to be in place. So all is good.

cdskier
06-06-2015, 08:21 AM
That is true. http://valleyreporter.com/index.php/en/news/news/10579-mountainside-denied-an-act-250-permit

They have plenty of time to put the lift in. I was surprised when that they took the valley chair out before they had the act 250. I thought win was more conservative than that.

But all the permits seem to be in place. So all is good.

Yes, the Mountainside thing is ridiculous. I'm all for caring about the environment, but sometimes they just go too far. To not let people rebuild after a fire is just insane. I haven't heard anything since this article, but I hope they manage to come up with some kind of solution or win an appeal.

As for the valley chair, I'm thinking they started because they had tight timelines to get the blasting done and were either very confident they would get the act 250 permit or had some sort of plan B in mind.

teleo
06-06-2015, 08:41 AM
BTW if anyone is interested act 250 info is published at https://anrweb.vt.gov/ANR/ANR/Act250.aspx
Takes a while for them to update it. But all the drawings are in there. Just search on town of warren and poke around to find them.

Hawk
06-08-2015, 06:50 AM
It is very common that when something is non-compliant and needs to be rebuilt, they fix the issue going forward. This does not surprise me at all. Actually the architect that they hired did them no favors trying to make this fly. They should have know that they were going to face stiff resistance. The solution seems to be to shift the building away from the stream to move it further away form the buffer zone. If it was me I would have had some dialogue with the authorities to figure out what they would accept first before going in with a half baked plan. If it means that they loose some parking spaces then so be it. Not sure of all the details but they will have go back to the drawing board. The building was basically right on top of the stream. There is no way that this would fly in any town. I feel bad but this is not something that should have been a mystery to them when they started the process.

HowieT2
06-08-2015, 09:43 AM
It is very common that when something is non-compliant and needs to be rebuilt, they fix the issue going forward. This does not surprise me at all. Actually the architect that they hired did them no favors trying to make this fly. They should have know that they were going to face stiff resistance. The solution seems to be to shift the building away from the stream to move it further away form the buffer zone. If it was me I would have had some dialogue with the authorities to figure out what they would accept first before going in with a half baked plan. If it means that they loose some parking spaces then so be it. Not sure of all the details but they will have go back to the drawing board. The building was basically right on top of the stream. There is no way that this would fly in any town. I feel bad but this is not something that should have been a mystery to them when they started the process.

yeah, when I saw that the old building was only 3 feet from the stream and the proposal for the new building was only 4 feet from same, I wasnt surprised the approval was denied.

djd66
06-08-2015, 01:36 PM
The building existed there to begin with,... half the state of vt is most likely in violation of act 250 - why should they not be able to just go ahead and replace the building? This is completely whacked! i cant imagine how pissed off i would be if I owned a place in that building. New construction - I get it. But if the building was there and burned down - they should be able to just rebuild.

Hawk
06-08-2015, 02:46 PM
No that's not how it works. They are building a new building. Excavation, framing, MEP systems, finishes, everything. It is a new building therefore it has to conform to current code. Sorry that is the way it is everywhere. I work in the industry and have been subject to this kind of thing in 3 different states. It may seem a little unfair but any architect that took this on should have known. Hell I worked on several projects where they kept crappy pieces of buildings so that they would not trigger this kind of thing. That way they could call it a renovation of existing instead of new construction. They just need to shift the building away form the stream and they can get this done. Otherwise they have no leg to stand on.

cdskier
06-08-2015, 06:52 PM
Hasn't Mountainside has been non-conforming from day 1 since they needed (and received) ACT 250 approval back in the 70s? At any rate, a 50 foot setback from Rice Brook means they would have to build the units where the driveway previously was. I fully understand needing to meet existing building codes for construction materials, safety, electrical, plumbing, heating, etc. However setbacks should be exempt in the case of a rebuild due to a disaster as long as the new structure does not increase the amount of non-compliance. If someone on their own decides to knock a building down to replace it, that's a different story. I'm sure ACT 250 approval has been granted in other cases where the required setbacks were not met. Could Mountainside have done more to reduce non-compliance and address erosion concerns, etc? Probably, and I hope they find a solution at some point.

Curious, if they had left part of the foundation in place instead of knocking it all down, would that have made any difference?

djd66
06-08-2015, 08:12 PM
Hasn't Mountainside has been non-conforming from day 1 since they needed (and received) ACT 250 approval back in the 70s? At any rate, a 50 foot setback from Rice Brook means they would have to build the units where the driveway previously was. I fully understand needing to meet existing building codes for construction materials, safety, electrical, plumbing, heating, etc. However setbacks should be exempt in the case of a rebuild due to a disaster as long as the new structure does not increase the amount of non-compliance. If someone on their own decides to knock a building down to replace it, that's a different story. I'm sure ACT 250 approval has been granted in other cases where the required setbacks were not met. Could Mountainside have done more to reduce non-compliance and address erosion concerns, etc? Probably, and I hope they find a solution at some point.

Curious, if they had left part of the foundation in place instead of knocking it all down, would that have made any difference?

Completely agree. I get the set back + act 250 - but when someone's house is destroyed due to a disaster - they should be able to rebuild exactly what they had before the disaster.

Hawk
06-09-2015, 07:39 AM
I think that if they had moved it back 15 or 20 feet and asked for a variance and provided good erosion control and maybe a wall or revised earth work to mitigate the flood and erosion potential they would have had a better chance as getting it through. It will be interesting to see what they do. I can not comment on an act of god policy change like that. One thing I do know is that city's and Towns and the state do not like liability. If they allow them to rebuild on that foot print and there is a flood, they will be on the hook for some kind of damages. I am sure that is something they consider. I can see your point about not being fair but that is the policy across most of the country. I guess the moral of the story is be proactive when it comes to fire safety.

HowieT2
06-09-2015, 01:22 PM
Completely agree. I get the set back + act 250 - but when someone's house is destroyed due to a disaster - they should be able to rebuild exactly what they had before the disaster.
should they? why? I mean these rules are in place for a reason. The setback is required to prevent damage to the waterway, among other things. We can argue about the merits of the rules, but once they are enacted, shouldnt they apply to everyone? If they didnt apply to structures destroyed by fire, wouldnt that incentivize owners to burn existing structures down?

Benski
06-09-2015, 03:54 PM
Latest round of pictures of the valley house lift. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153318783028384.1073741875.191921863383&type=1
I guess it does not take long to remove the terminal.

djd66
06-09-2015, 04:23 PM
should they? why? I mean these rules are in place for a reason. The setback is required to prevent damage to the waterway, among other things. We can argue about the merits of the rules, but once they are enacted, shouldnt they apply to everyone? If they didnt apply to structures destroyed by fire, wouldnt that incentivize owners to burn existing structures down?

I understand why the rules are in place and i am not saying NEW Construction should be able to build with out regard to setback. What I am saying - this structure existed before any setback. A lot of families paid money for the property and due to some bad luck the whole building burned down. It will not effect anyone if the structure is rebuilt exactly how it was before. It certainly will not have any impact on the environment. If you use your logic - maybe the tree hugging environmentalists are incentivised to burn buildings down that they wont be rebuilt.

I just found this great article, written by an attorney on this exact subject - I could not agree more. http://www.mskvt.com/page.php?id=54 Like he points out - how can a bank lend money to someone for a home that may not be able to be rebuilt after a fire? Does this now mean that if i live in a home that is not in compliance with act 250 i will not be able to borrow money? I hope the association lawyers up and sues for all kinds of damages.

cdskier
06-09-2015, 04:50 PM
should they? why? I mean these rules are in place for a reason. The setback is required to prevent damage to the waterway, among other things. We can argue about the merits of the rules, but once they are enacted, shouldnt they apply to everyone? If they didnt apply to structures destroyed by fire, wouldnt that incentivize owners to burn existing structures down?

That's part of one of the points I was getting at...that the rules don't apply to everyone and enforcement seems to vary over time. ACT 250 existed prior to Mountainside being built in the first place, yet back in the late 70s Mountainside was granted ACT 250 approval even though at the time it was already in non-compliance with ACT 250.

Hawk
06-10-2015, 07:25 AM
Couple of things. I don't think you can lawyer up and sue the state for the inability to build because they told you your are non-compliant. I am not a lawyer but I think I remember that there are provisions holding the government harmless in lawsuits of this nature. Also you can always hunt around and get a lone. There will be a bank that will not dig into the past to find out if the building is compliant. You may just have to pay a higher interest rate. Also Act 250 has evolved over the years with amendments I believe and the enforcement standards have gotten more strict with time. Another thing is that Sugarbush has been working with the state to get the brooks around the resort off that list of polluted waterways. Win mention that one of them just came off. it might be this very one so the reviewers are going to be aware of that rating and won't want to do anything to degrade that.

Lastly I am not going to lump this whole thing and throw it up as a "Treehugger" issue. These are State laws brought on by years of development abuse to the lands and waterways. For the record the condo owners and their association at mountainside knew there were serious issues with the fire places, fire alarm systems and the flues in the buildings. They have chose for years to put off any repairs because they did not want to spend the money. I have friends that sold and moved because of this very reason. I feel sorry for the individual owners but this should have been address years ago. For the record all the other buildings in that complex have the same issues and can not run any fireplaces until the issues are fixed. That association is the main reason that Town of Warren wanted the crazy ordinance for fireplaces and fire alarm.

My association and it's owners paid thousands to replace flues, fireplaces, fire alarm and get all the inspections and approvals associated. If they had been on top of all this, we would not be having this conversation.

HowieT2
06-10-2015, 10:26 AM
Couple of things. I don't think you can lawyer up and sue the state for the inability to build because they told you your are non-compliant. I am not a lawyer but I think I remember that there are provisions holding the government harmless in lawsuits of this nature. Also you can always hunt around and get a lone. There will be a bank that will not dig into the past to find out if the building is compliant. You may just have to pay a higher interest rate. Also Act 250 has evolved over the years with amendments I believe and the enforcement standards have gotten more strict with time. Another thing is that Sugarbush has been working with the state to get the brooks around the resort off that list of polluted waterways. Win mention that one of them just came off. it might be this very one so the reviewers are going to be aware of that rating and won't want to do anything to degrade that.

Lastly I am not going to lump this whole thing and throw it up as a "Treehugger" issue. These are State laws brought on by years of development abuse to the lands and waterways. For the record the condo owners and their association at mountainside knew there were serious issues with the fire places, fire alarm systems and the flues in the buildings. They have chose for years to put off any repairs because they did not want to spend the money. I have friends that sold and moved because of this very reason. I feel sorry for the individual owners but this should have been address years ago. For the record all the other buildings in that complex have the same issues and can not run any fireplaces until the issues are fixed. That association is the main reason that Town of Warren wanted the crazy ordinance for fireplaces and fire alarm.

My association and it's owners paid thousands to replace flues, fireplaces, fire alarm and get all the inspections and approvals associated. If they had been on top of all this, we would not be having this conversation.

what happened with that proposal by the town of warren for fireplaces?

HowieT2
06-10-2015, 10:47 AM
That's part of one of the points I was getting at...that the rules don't apply to everyone and enforcement seems to vary over time. ACT 250 existed prior to Mountainside being built in the first place, yet back in the late 70s Mountainside was granted ACT 250 approval even though at the time it was already in non-compliance with ACT 250.

I can't comment on what the rules were back when mountainside was built 40 years ago. However, I doubt there was a 50 foot setback rule, when they were permitted to build 3 feet from the brook. also, while I'm not an environmental engineer, it seems to me fairly obvious that siting a building within 3-4 feet of the brook is a bad idea. like Hawk said, they should try and get a variance to build it 20 feet or so from the brook with some mitigating earth work. Seems to me, one could make a reasonable argument for that, whereas basically siting the building in the brook is a non starter.

cdskier
06-10-2015, 11:44 AM
what happened with that proposal by the town of warren for fireplaces?

Last update I saw said it was being split into 2 separate ordinances and would be further revised and discussed:
http://www.valleyreporter.com/index.php/en/news/news/10630-town-quells-fire-in-response-to-no-burn-order

And back to the Mountainside ACT 250 issue...this was an interesting article in the VR with comments from the MRV Planning District:
http://www.valleyreporter.com/index.php/en/news/news/10593-planning-district-talks-impact-of-act-250-decision

djd66
06-10-2015, 01:58 PM
Couple of things. I don't think you can lawyer up and sue the state for the inability to build because they told you your are non-compliant. I am not a lawyer but I think I remember that there are provisions holding the government harmless in lawsuits of this nature. Also you can always hunt around and get a lone. There will be a bank that will not dig into the past to find out if the building is compliant. You may just have to pay a higher interest rate. Also Act 250 has evolved over the years with amendments I believe and the enforcement standards have gotten more strict with time. Another thing is that Sugarbush has been working with the state to get the brooks around the resort off that list of polluted waterways. Win mention that one of them just came off. it might be this very one so the reviewers are going to be aware of that rating and won't want to do anything to degrade that.

Lastly I am not going to lump this whole thing and throw it up as a "Treehugger" issue. These are State laws brought on by years of development abuse to the lands and waterways. For the record the condo owners and their association at mountainside knew there were serious issues with the fire places, fire alarm systems and the flues in the buildings. They have chose for years to put off any repairs because they did not want to spend the money. I have friends that sold and moved because of this very reason. I feel sorry for the individual owners but this should have been address years ago. For the record all the other buildings in that complex have the same issues and can not run any fireplaces until the issues are fixed. That association is the main reason that Town of Warren wanted the crazy ordinance for fireplaces and fire alarm.

My association and it's owners paid thousands to replace flues, fireplaces, fire alarm and get all the inspections and approvals associated. If they had been on top of all this, we would not be having this conversation.

I'm not a lawyer but i am certain you can sue for pretty much anything. If I owned a place there - i would certainly be looking at what my legal options are. The building could have been destroyed by an avalanche - how it was destroyed has nothing to do with it. It was destroy and it should be rebuilt. Lastly - have you tried to get a mortgage lately? I have a perfect credit score and i can tell you first hand - loans these days are not what they were 10 years ago. Banks need to be sure they will be left whole - if you default on your mortgage or if the property is destroyed - the bank will need to know it will be paid.

HowieT2
06-11-2015, 09:30 AM
I'm not a lawyer but i am certain you can sue for pretty much anything. If I owned a place there - i would certainly be looking at what my legal options are. The building could have been destroyed by an avalanche - how it was destroyed has nothing to do with it. It was destroy and it should be rebuilt. Lastly - have you tried to get a mortgage lately? I have a perfect credit score and i can tell you first hand - loans these days are not what they were 10 years ago. Banks need to be sure they will be left whole - if you default on your mortgage or if the property is destroyed - the bank will need to know it will be paid.

I am a lawyer and can tell you unequivocally that you can sue for anything. It is a right guaranteed by the constitution. However, winning said lawsuit is a different matter. Governmental entities have what is known as sovereign immunity. They can't be held liable unless there is an exception to same. There are plenty of exceptions, but I doubt this would be one of them. Although, there is a "hot" issue right now as to whether a requlation like this one where it reduces the value of private property, constitutes a "taking" by the government and as such, entitles the owner to compensation for its loss.

djd66
06-11-2015, 11:46 AM
I'm thinking of getting some t-shirts made up,... Ski Condos Matter :)

HowieT2
06-11-2015, 01:14 PM
I'm thinking of getting some t-shirts made up,... Ski Condos Matter :)

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