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Crocker
01-21-2015, 03:32 PM
This Sunday, 1/25 Castlerock Pub is thanking you, our awesome guests for voting the pub one of FourSquare's Top 10 Apres Ski Bars in North America! Clint Bierman and the Necessary Means will be playing apres and we'll have free wings, nachos and cheesesteaks as supplies last--so come on by and let us say 'thanks!'

djd66
01-21-2015, 04:26 PM
Crocker - nothing personal,.. but how the hell did CRP get to the top ten Apres ski bar in North America?? To be honest- i wont even go in there anymore as it is just a horrible experience (IMHO) People on this board think I'm a pro Sugarbush Kool-aid drinking win smith ass kisser - BUT, I will call it like I see it when it comes to the CRP. It is just not a fun place for Apres Ski. I'm hoping that they rethink this place someday and utilize it for additional cafeteria space (much needed) then take the bar and bring it up to the Valley House.

Orca
01-21-2015, 05:46 PM
Crocker - nothing personal,.. but how the hell did CRP get to the top ten Apres ski bar in North America?? To be honest- i wont even go in there anymore as it is just a horrible experience (IMHO) People on this board think I'm a pro Sugarbush Kool-aid drinking win smith ass kisser - BUT, I will call it like I see it when it comes to the CRP. It is just not a fun place for Apres Ski. I'm hoping that they rethink this place someday and utilize it for additional cafeteria space (much needed) then take the bar and bring it up to the Valley House.

Couldn't agree more. CRP is just a dismal basement.

Last Friday after skiing, three of us went to Timbers for a beer (trying to avoid CRP), but were turned away because they didn't open until 5:00p which was 40 minutes away. We then walked over to CRP and you couldn't find a seat and it had that unpleasant overcrowded feel -- it was clear it would take a while to get served and we'd have to be standing the whole time in our ski boots. We declined to stay and went on our way. Three people were ready to hand money to the mountain for draft beers and maybe some apps, and the mountain lost the business. Foolishness.

Suggestion: open the Timbers bar at 3:30p. No food, just drinks. Bartender can be doing other stuff if it's empty. Seems like a no-brainer to take people's money if they are trying to buy your product.

southvillager
01-21-2015, 06:25 PM
Couldn't agree more. CRP is just a dismal basement.

Last Friday after skiing, three of us went to Timbers for a beer (trying to avoid CRP), but were turned away because they didn't open until 5:00p which was 40 minutes away. We then walked over to CRP and you couldn't find a seat and it had that unpleasant overcrowded feel -- it was clear it would take a while to get served and we'd have to be standing the whole time in our ski boots. We declined to stay and went on our way. Three people were ready to hand money to the mountain for draft beers and maybe some apps, and the mountain lost the business. Foolishness.

Suggestion: open the Timbers bar at 3:30p. No food, just drinks. Bartender can be doing other stuff if it's empty. Seems like a no-brainer to take people's money if they are trying to buy your product.

We had a similar experience earlier this season. So we went upstairs to the cafeteria and found tall cans in the fridge, and hung out there for a bit. In many ways it was more pleasant than the cellar. I think they have PBRs and maybe Long Trail. Some wine singles also. No waiting.

Mt St Pipier
01-21-2015, 07:43 PM
Good to know about the fridge upstairs. The lost revenue is incredible. Almost always up going home and drinking / snacking there if at South. North and The Basebox, while ancient, are much better.

djd66
01-21-2015, 08:18 PM
I don't know much about the Food + Beverage business, But I honestly think there are well over six figures being left on the table because of this problem. One easy way to make the experience better - hire at least 2 more bar tenders at CRP and another 2 to work at Timbers. 2 Guys servicing 500+ people is just not enough.

HowieT2
01-21-2015, 08:41 PM
I don't know much about the Food + Beverage business, But I honestly think there are well over six figures being left on the table because of this problem. One easy way to make the experience better - hire at least 2 more bar tenders at CRP and another 2 to work at Timbers. 2 Guys servicing 500+ people is just not enough.
I'm no food and beverage man either, but I would think that it is not so easy to fit two more bartenders behind the bar at the crp. And furthermore, outside of 1-5pm on Saturdays, there is absolutely no need for them.
Someone else mentioned this previously, and I think it warrants consideration, but rearranging the bar so it's straight instead of a "u" would open a lot of space. Maybe not enough to satisfy those who are turned off by the basement thing, but at least open up some room to move around.
I actually feel bad I don't go in there more. The physical plant is what it is, and Shaun, I think does a great job. I may go there more in the summer than in the winter.
Most importantly, any plan for the Super Bowl?

gostan
01-22-2015, 06:44 AM
I'm no food and beverage man either, but I would think that it is not so easy to fit two more bartenders behind the bar at the crp. And furthermore, outside of 1-5pm on Saturdays, there is absolutely no need for them.
Someone else mentioned this previously, and I think it warrants consideration, but rearranging the bar so it's straight instead of a "u" would open a lot of space. Maybe not enough to satisfy those who are turned off by the basement thing, but at least open up some room to move around.
I actually feel bad I don't go in there more. The physical plant is what it is, and Shaun, I think does a great job. I may go there more in the summer than in the winter.
Most importantly, any plan for the Super Bowl? If you really want to watch the Game the one ski bar to avoid for the Super Bowl is the CRP. The game is on late enough on Sunday that I should be able to make it home in time to watch with a few non skier Pats fans in the comfort of my own 65" plasma & surround sound. Again, more lost revenue because the MT does not have a larger more comfortable venue for such a great fun event. I would stay and watch if they did.

djd66
01-22-2015, 08:17 AM
I'm no food and beverage man either, but I would think that it is not so easy to fit two more bartenders behind the bar at the crp. And furthermore, outside of 1-5pm on Saturdays, there is absolutely no need for them.
Someone else mentioned this previously, and I think it warrants consideration, but rearranging the bar so it's straight instead of a "u" would open a lot of space. Maybe not enough to satisfy those who are turned off by the basement thing, but at least open up some room to move around.
I actually feel bad I don't go in there more. The physical plant is what it is, and Shaun, I think does a great job. I may go there more in the summer than in the winter.
Most importantly, any plan for the Super Bowl?

Howie - I have to disagree. There is plenty of room for more bartenders back there. 1 additional bar tender could be servicing the wait staff and 1 more could be servicing just me :) 1-5 is peak time for sure - and that's why they need more help during that time. I totally agree that the bar staff does a great job with what they have - no issue with them - and real sorry for hijacking Crocker's original post. I just think until they can figure out how to improve the existing bar (how about just removing the wall that separates the 2 rooms) - they should at least add more staff during peak times.

Dblshot
01-22-2015, 08:23 AM
Can kegs be set up on the CRP patio area and have several of the propane patio heaters and people can get a beer and drink on the patio? I believe that area is allowed to have alcohol in it. I bet that would get used unless it was brutally cold. Also shocking that timbers doesn't open until 5, maybe because it was a Friday?

Hawk
01-22-2015, 08:45 AM
First off, thanks Crocker for the info and the Apres Party. Wow the back lash on this post even made me feel bad and that is saying something. We all know the inefficiencies about the bar and have spoke about it tons of times. I don't think this post is the place to gripe. Go to an old post or start a new one. Crocker is just the messenger of what he thought might be a good thing.

For the record, I have spent enough time in CRP to know it's limitations. And even knowing them I always get a beer in a timely manner. So here is one trick I will part with.
There are these nice young ladies that walk around called waitresses. When you see one walk up to them and go "Hi!!!!" Smile and give them your order. Since I go in there most après, some of them even know my order before I open my mouth. Simple as that. Easy Peasy. I know the basement sucks and when it is crowed it is hard to get a seat but I am a regular and most everybody I ski with is in there except for the folks that go up to the Wunderbar. Your Apres is what you make of it. Standing with 10 of my friends toasting the best run of the day and telling jokes sounds like a kickass Apres to me. I guess the guys at Foursquare also had a good time. That is all I have.

shanskiis
01-22-2015, 08:51 AM
The Wunderbar is open Friday, Saturday and Sundays for drinking and eating.

Hawk
01-22-2015, 09:09 AM
Funny I thought the Wunderbar was reserved for the Bush Pilots. They seem to be the only ones to get any service up there. ;-) JK.

Dblshot
01-22-2015, 10:46 AM
Ha! They just get all the seats!!

Hawk
01-22-2015, 11:19 AM
Yup, because they get in there at 2:00 once their lesson/session (whatever they call it) is over. ;-) I don't bother to go there anymore because most of my non-Bush Pilot friends are at Castlerock.

Ha! They just get all the seats!!

phin
01-22-2015, 12:07 PM
Another thread full of complaints. shocking...

I've never had to wait long for a beer at the CR Pub during the apres ski dash, the bartenders are far more attentive than many other bars. In addition to this, they throw some really decent beer events. I've had the opportunity to chat with several different brewers at this bar.

Have fun drinking with the kiddos upstairs folks.

othripper
01-22-2015, 12:27 PM
Real ski bums never complain when there is free food. Never.

win
01-22-2015, 12:42 PM
Hard to respond to this thread. It sort of reminds me of one of Yogi Berra's quips: "It is so crowded there, nobody goes there any more." :-)

gostan
01-22-2015, 01:03 PM
Hard to respond to this thread. It sort of reminds me of one of Yogi Berra's quips: "It is so crowded there, nobody goes there any more." :-)Win, you built and operate a more enjoyable venue called Timbers, which I would choose any day of the week. I do not think Yogi Berra said it, but "variety is the spice of life."

MntMan4Bush
01-23-2015, 10:22 AM
Maybe the first response post was more of a knee jerk reaction to the statement that it was voted one of top 10 ski bars in North America. If I was wearing a monocle it would have fallen out. This is chiefly why I don't wear a monocle any more. I mean I don't think I'd vote it even a top 10 bar in Vermont.

That being said I guess it is all what you get out of it. To an outsider looking in no way is it a top 100 apres bar, but it's where I find myself every apres so there has to be something to it. My guess is the staff plays a role. Shawn and Rich are in constant motion during the whole busy time, but always have a second for a handshake and a hello. On the shoulder seasons it's nice to talk with them and catch up. If you want to talk about honesty, my buddy left $100 bill down for a tip by accident and Shawn chased us down to see if it was intentional. Good luck finding that kind of character anywhere else to include maybe Ski Magazine's list of top 10.

If you don't like standing in your ski boots change out of them. It makes the standing easier and you can focus more on drinking. If you walk in during the rush keep your order simple for the first round. Maybe 5 Long Trails instead of a surfer on acid, 2 gin fuzzies, a mai thai and oh I'd like to see the wine list. Then you can settle in, relax with a brew and scope a good time to step in to order your next round right out of the Mos Eisley Cantina.

The layout is poor, the lighting is dim. I can't see the mountain and I'm standing next to some guy from New York that smells like a Slim Jim. But send me a Captain, kick back with a wing, tell me of your powder day and don't care about a thing.

Hawk
01-23-2015, 11:26 AM
Not to mention Sarno, Tilly, Dave or any of your crew probably has the corner of the bar secured by the time you get in there. :-)

Maybe the first response post was more of a knee jerk reaction to the statement that it was voted one of top 10 ski bars in North America. If I was wearing a monocle it would have fallen out. This is chiefly why I don't wear a monocle any more. I mean I don't think I'd vote it even a top 10 bar in Vermont.

That being said I guess it is all what you get out of it. To an outsider looking in no way is it a top 100 apres bar, but it's where I find myself every apres so there has to be something to it. My guess is the staff plays a role. Shawn and Rich are in constant motion during the whole busy time, but always have a second for a handshake and a hello. On the shoulder seasons it's nice to talk with them and catch up. If you want to talk about honesty, my buddy left $100 bill down for a tip by accident and Shawn chased us down to see if it was intentional. Good luck finding that kind of character anywhere else to include maybe Ski Magazine's list of top 10.

If you don't like standing in your ski boots change out of them. It makes the standing easier and you can focus more on drinking. If you walk in during the rush keep your order simple for the first round. Maybe 5 Long Trails instead of a surfer on acid, 2 gin fuzzies, a mai thai and oh I'd like to see the wine list. Then you can settle in, relax with a brew and scope a good time to step in to order your next round right out of the Mos Eisley Cantina.

The layout is poor, the lighting is dim. I can't see the mountain and I'm standing next to some guy from New York that smells like a Slim Jim. But send me a Captain, kick back with a wing, tell me of your powder day and don't care about a thing.

MntMan4Bush
01-23-2015, 11:41 AM
Not to mention Sarno, Tilly, Dave or any of your crew probably has the corner of the bar secured by the time you get in there. :-)

It doesn't hurt.

Fourwide
01-23-2015, 12:41 PM
I think a CRP beer-only station might help (or perhaps beer and a shot?). We fled CRP Sunday afternoon near 4 due to the crowd (I find that the ladies tire of standing), but Timbers was open.

brave fellow
01-27-2015, 10:05 AM
I have been a regular at Sugarbush for two years now, along with Phin. We both enjoy hitting CRP at the end of our day which is usually around 4. Busy mountain weekends mean a busy bar. I think that's true of any resort bar. I have skied Cannon a ton, and that bar is ALWAYS packed at the end of the day.

Sometimes, I feel people on this forum have ZERO clue how to run a business, because that's what Win is doing. A bar that is only half full would be a poor investment. If the bar was empty enough you didn't have to site next to people on critical holiday weekends, Sugarbush would not be able to stay open. The slim jim smelly guy from NY paying full price tickets and ordering $15 Mai Thais keeps costs down for the 20+ days/year regulars.

I do agree a mountain view from the pub would be nice. Also the giant round tables make be able to seat a lot of folks, but smaller square tables can allow for more standing room. People can learn to squeeze more seats at a square table. The 'overcrowded, crammed' feeling could probably be fixed with smaller tables.

Overall, I'm a big fan of the CRP and it's staff.

MntMan4Bush
01-28-2015, 03:57 PM
Thanks Captain Killjoke. I understand Johnny Slimjim from NY's importance. But Fahhhgetaboutit.

As someone who also spends 20+ days at the CRP rolling in post 4 when lifts close and who has a routine down I'm very capable of getting a drink and having some fun. That doesn't mean everyone does or Johnny Slimjim is gonna double down on those Fuzzy Navels if he feels someone is all up in his puttanesca. There's no way you can tell me that it's a well designed bar unless you're the guy who also designed the boot room. Though I do appreciate they put a giant beam in the middle of the bar space to put stickers on. I mean where else would we put them.

By your logic Win would be a great businessman (not saying he's not) and making money hand over fist if he moved the CRP to the utility closet because a full bar means higher profits. This is only true if said bar is at max potential capacity. Several posters on here would submit that it is not. I agree apres ski at most bars is packed and crowded. It's the way of it, but the CRP is pretty small and poorly laid out. Fact. (It's a fact because I used the word "fact" after as emphasis).

Now off to shovel another 3 metric tons of snow that I don't get to ski on.

Hawk
01-29-2015, 08:02 AM
Mtn Man. That is a column not a beam. Get your construction terms right Dude. ;-)
I have absolutely no complaints about the staff, the selection of Beer or the atmosphere at the CRP.
My well documented issue is this: They built the thing from scratch and they either did not consider the amount of people that are going to go in there or did not know. The layout is poor for handling the amount of people. $1,000's of dollars are left on the table each weekend because a lot of people(not me) wait 5-10 minutes just to get served. That means that they only get one maybe two beers at après and then leave. Or never go in at all as some people have stated. A separate beer station that just served beer would probably help fix the situation by pulling people away from the bar. I can live with the basement location.

brave fellow
01-29-2015, 08:29 AM
they either did not consider the amount of people that are going to go in there or did not know.

I think it's the later; sometimes business assumptions are wrong. I admit I could never run my own business because I am terrible at dealing with uncertainties on a large scale.

If MtnMan can get past ego stroking himself about his own clever snarkiness, he'll realize running a business requires making assumptions. Such as how many people will use an Apres bar v. how many people will use the lodge cafeteria during the day. I'm guessing - not knowing the full history of the lodge construction - that the ownership team wanted more space for the cafeteria/upstairs area because it would get more use throughout the day. In addition, the upstairs can host functions and weddings, so a beautiful view of the mountain helps sell that space.

Let's say the upstairs was the location of CRP. It's a MASSIVE space that you now need to fill every weekend night. What if it's half empty? Maybe they cut in half and make half boot room/family lunch space and the other half a bar like Mt. Ellen? I'm not sure that option is much better.

CRP is not an ideal layout for the amount of people it gets. Hindsight is 20/20, Monday morning Tom Bradying, CRP could have been made better. I hope that some improvements are figured out for continued success of the mountain, but I can also appreciate it in its current state. If you don't like CRP today, vote with your wallet and patron another establishment.

MntMan4Bush
01-29-2015, 09:07 AM
If MtnMan can get past ego stroking himself about his own clever snarkiness,

What I read here was that you think I'm clever so I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks. If you prefer I keep my posts dry and don't try and add a bit of humor to a thread that can be down right boring because it's been stated over and over again then sure. Let's all just do that. I suppose I should be mad at Hawk for pointing out my failure to identify a load bearing column in place of a support beam. However it made me laugh this morning so I'll get over it. I suggest you do the same.

So here you go with absolutely no attempts at fun at all. Not sure when you started skiing SB, but if you were around when the CRP was being built it was pointed out by many how small the space seemed well before the lights turned on. I mean take a look at it. It's tiny. Not really Monday morning QB-ing it here. I mean presumably someone drafted a set of blue prints that showed volume. They started a foundation. Threw up a couple of walls and someone should have said wait a minute here guys. Have you ever been in another ski bar? If you have take a look around. The ones that seem crowded and packed and you walk out of after a drink are usually tiny bars that you can't move around in or get to the bar and get a drink. We both seem to have a good routine down where we can get in and get drinks so it serves the regulars well because we can be patient. We're not going anywhere anyways. But if you want to bring in new business or continue to replace people who disappear over the years then you need something that doesn't just cater to the regulars.

I'd also draw a direct correlation here that a small bar that has zero capacity might not draw in as much money as one could potentially get. For a mountain that wants to bring more paying customers to the valley your goal shouldn't be to build to a current capacity, but projected. If I was going to build a bar back then and my goal was growth (so a bit post-game, but maybe nothing prolific) I'd consider how many people ski SB, look at other mountains with similar profiles and how big their bars are then build one that could fit 50% more. Then I'd go build all my new lodging, offer a 20's season pass and a quad pack and fill that bad boy up. Sorry. Maybe got a little too humorous there. "fill that space up.". Sorry got a little snarky there. Can't help. Too big of an ego.

Anyways I think your point about not infringing on the cafeteria is correct. They couldn't reduce that space without having a direct impact on the lunch crowd. I also agree that getting rid of those giant round tables might help the flow, but if you want to sit there and still tell me that size doesn't matter, or that it's a decent size or that the CRP was just in the pool and there was some shrinkage I can't go along with it. Hey I'm fine I guess sitting there drinking my Captain and Cokes. I get my drinks so I guess that's all that matters right? So I should just ignore it all and everyone else should figure it out themselves or move on with their wallets. Screw it then. You guys are on your own.

Win that space is awesome. I get my drinks and have a great time with my friends and Shawn and Rich are the best bartenders I know. (There is nothing sarcastic in any of those preceding statements. 100% true. My wife bakes them brownies on a regular basis as a thank you) Don't change a thing I'm good. Big fan too!!

Hawk
01-29-2015, 11:12 AM
I understand what you are trying to say but there are many people on here that expressed concerns from day one when they first showed the buildings layout in sketches. That is not Monday morning. We have always thought that this layout was bad and would never work. I am not sure if you know this but when they first opened up it was only the bar side that was constructed. They added the other side with the fireplace and booths with the concrete patio above the next year because they realized it was not ever close to being big enough. It is well documented that both the lodge and the bar are far too small for the capacity of the mountain. I think that they may have designed with the intent of one day having an additional lodge at the top of Gate house lift and maybe another Bar In one of the retail spaces in a new building. To say that it there are no issues with the design is not seeing the situation clearly. But for now some creative serving options like separate beer stands would help ease the crush at the bar and get people their drinks a lot faster.

MntMan4Bush
01-29-2015, 01:25 PM
Hawk - Given the layout of the bar where would you see the beer stands being setup? Would they be semi-permanent stations that would allow them to set up a bit better (i.e. small space for extra kegs, cups, etc so a bar back isn't running back and forth through the crowd every 10 minutes) or very mobile like a single kegorator pouring out Longtrail and Singlechair only. Cash only single serve or ability to start tabs and have card readers?

I'm just thinking along two lines.

One the place is pretty tight so to take additional space for a beer station, even if just a kegorator with cash only service and no tabs might have a negative effect. You'd need at the very least a space for cups to be setup and maybe a cash register unless they go totally mobile with cash in apron approach and sleeves of cups at the feet. There'd also be a line formed up which takes away from standing space which is limited. I'm not sure where this would go.

The other is if you're going to take up the space anyways might as well build a very small bar section in a corner (or along the wall opposite the bar so you have 3 sides - get rid of the round tables there and make them all hightop 4's or 6's) with limited stock. Really just a person surrounded by bar. 5 feet by 5 feet? Maybe 3-4 beers on tap and a couple specialty drinks that could rotate every week so they only need 5-6 bottles of liquor at any given time with pre-mixed mixer. Just add booze You could wire it up to the same computer system they take orders on so it wouldn't have to be cash only. The point being if you are taking up space anyways maybe a bit more would be worth it to have more options and divert more people away.

No idea really. Just thinking out loud. Something is needed, but I'm not sure it's just the ability to get a beer. I think a lot has to do with once you get one what do you do. I often see people just shrunk up trying to make themselves small as they're bumped and knocked into trying to enjoy the drink they just got. Remember the old tent off the cafeteria on the gate house lodge. Maybe something similar on the outdoor patio during peak season. A semi-permanent structure. A couple of propane heaters in there (can you use those in an enclosed space?) Then you'd have place for a few beer stations.

Hawk
01-29-2015, 01:48 PM
I would say 3 or 4 kegerators on a Mobil cart/Bar. Something that you can wheel around and set up where you like. in the corner to the right when you enter or even in the hallway just outside the bar. Or how about getting rid of a couple of those built in table/bench locations in the back and put it there. That would spread out the crowd Cash only. 4 types of beer. plastic cups.

southvillager
01-29-2015, 01:50 PM
A tent over the CRP patio with the mini-bar is a great idea. They had a little mobile 6' bar upstairs in the main lodge with beer and wine a couple of years ago, maybe it can be unearthed. Or utilize the old Wunderbar in the lower level of the Valley House. Or the Mushroom. Or the patio near the firepit. There are endless options.

The more difficult question may be whether it is worth it to spend the $$ to expand for 4 hours per Saturday for (maybe) 12 busy Saturdays per year. And how do you staff a job that is only 48 hrs per year?

HowieT2
01-29-2015, 03:19 PM
A tent over the CRP patio with the mini-bar is a great idea. They had a little mobile 6' bar upstairs in the main lodge with beer and wine a couple of years ago, maybe it can be unearthed. Or utilize the old Wunderbar in the lower level of the Valley House. Or the Mushroom. Or the patio near the firepit. There are endless options.

The more difficult question may be whether it is worth it to spend the $$ to expand for 4 hours per Saturday for (maybe) 12 busy Saturdays per year. And how do you staff a job that is only 48 hrs per year?

I like the tent idea, but it might not feasible with the snow/ice coming off the roof.

Hawk
01-29-2015, 03:39 PM
Hire one more waitress for a Saturday shift to mind the beer cart. The amount of beer they would sell would off set her minimum wage rate. They work off of tips anyway. No comment on the Valley house options as this was a discussion on how to utilize the CRP better.

A tent over the CRP patio with the mini-bar is a great idea. They had a little mobile 6' bar upstairs in the main lodge with beer and wine a couple of years ago, maybe it can be unearthed. Or utilize the old Wunderbar in the lower level of the Valley House. Or the Mushroom. Or the patio near the firepit. There are endless options.

The more difficult question may be whether it is worth it to spend the $$ to expand for 4 hours per Saturday for (maybe) 12 busy Saturdays per year. And how do you staff a job that is only 48 hrs per year?

Hawk
02-02-2015, 10:31 AM
Who was the 2 man act at Castlerock on Saturday afternoon? Just a drummer and a Keyboard guy with all sorts of ancient keyboard equipment. He played base with his left hand and solo'd with his right. I thought they rocked.

phin
02-02-2015, 01:13 PM
Ray Paczkowski and Russ Lawton (Soule Monde) and they also play in Trey's (Phish) solo band.

Xskier
02-02-2015, 03:07 PM
Surprised as I always thought it was one of the worse Apre ski bars in the country. I have no complaints regarding the staff it is just poorly designed and dark. I would have thought a best apre ski bar would have views of the mountain you just skied. I haven't been to CRP in years as I go to Wunderbar which I would rank highly has a great Apre ski bar but its really tough to compete with the bars out west!! Although free food if I knew about it would have gotten me to CRP!

Hawk
02-04-2015, 10:45 AM
That was one of the best two man acts I have seen. I really enjoyed the music. Wunderbar is overrated and all my friends are at the CRP. Besides I thought you have to be a Bush Pilot to get a drink up there. ;-)