It's so darn quiet in here! Thought it'd be good to start something up. I know Win had mentioned that there would be more woods areas coming onto the trail map this year after some work this summer. Any word from those in the know on how that's going?

We had a site visit with the Forest Service and I think we are making progress to add some more at both LP and ME by next season. We will post everyone as soon as we can.

One thing that is really important. There must be no unauthorized trimming or cutting on their land or they will end their permission to ski in the trees. We and they take this very seriously. You may have heard what happened at Jay. By working with our land lords properly we will continue to provide new and exciting opportunities for on map tree skiing.

I have to say something on this. I don't understand the value of putting additional woods areas on the map. Those that ski in the woods realy don't need a map. Right? And I am sure that the "new" areas will be areas that are already widely skied. All this will do is over-ski a certain section of woods and add less skilled skiers to the mix. The result is that the area gets skied down to the dirt much like Lews and Egans.

Just my opinion. I am sure there are others.

Hawk wrote:

I have to say something on this. I don't understand the value of putting additional woods areas on the map. Those that ski in the woods realy don't need a map. Right? And I am sure that the "new" areas will be areas that are already widely skied. All this will do is over-ski a certain section of woods and add less skilled skiers to the mix. The result is that the area gets skied down to the dirt much like Lews and Egans. Just my opinion. I am sure there are others.

Well, in my experience those two woods suck because they don't hold snow well because of pitch and terrain. Egan's requires a ton of snow to get onto Lower Birdland.

Personally I don't mind having the trees on the map. It's better to have it known so that most of the visitors (not locals) stick to defined areas, rather than popping into wormholes that might lead them to get over their heads and get into trouble. When you designate areas, you make it clear where folks need to go and reduce traffic in other areas. Locals are going to keep their stashes, but as we know, we don't talk about them.

I would have to agree with Hawk. Unless the areas already marked are getting expanded why mark more areas. I would hate to see the orchard marked on the map. It is not marked and already is a hot spot. Let us Bushwackers have some stashes left!

Having all those "less skilled skiers (we'll just call em' LSS's) and skiing it down to the dirt makes it all the more fun. Those LSS's create obstacles that the MSS's get to go over, around or through. It lends a skier cross aspect to woods skiing and promotes posts like the guy who was bummed when his line was poached after one of the dumps. Without those LSS's what would the MSS's have to talk and joke about. I mean the whole skimrv forum would become boring like K-zone or Alpinezone and bushzone just doesn't have the same ring. A bit of a summer cooler here from late May in CO

Some things are better discussed in person, so look me up next time you are here.

I will. I am sure there is a master plan.

It's just a complete onslaught in the woods the last couple of years. I shouldn't complain. It is the direction that the mountain has taken with the programs.

I guess I will finally break down and get the AT gear.

Tree skiing has in many ways kept Sugarbush a live. A few more well done bands in new places would no be all bad. Keeping most of them off the map like at Mad River would be a big plus. "Come and find them" Or "Take a advance lesson by our great staff and you may be shown them" Might be a better way of promoting them. You know us pass holders will know right a way were they are. It's part of being a pass holder and regular.

I personally would be happy to help the MT with them.

Any one else willing to help?

Split off the post season skiing topic from this one.


I'm along the lines of Hawk, where I doubt you can find anyplace to mark that hasn't already been being skied.

I love that, when asked where the woods skiing is, I point to Lower Snowball and Lower Pushover and saying, "Between them, and a little bit beyond. Oh... and then there is Mt Ellen. (If I'm not working, I say North. ) And there might be a few turns between.

Their jaws just drop!

Treeskier wrote:

Tree skiing has in many ways kept Sugarbush a live. A few more well done bands in new places would no be all bad. Keeping most of them off the map like at Mad River would be a big plus. "Come and find them" Or "Take a advance lesson by our great staff and you may be shown them" Might be a better way of promoting them. You know us pass holders will know right a way were they are. It's part of being a pass holder and regular. I personally would be happy to help the MT with them. Any one else willing to help?

OMG..............how about " a advanced" class in typing and spelling and sentence structure..................you sicken me.

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barkbiter wrote:

Treeskier wrote: Tree skiing has in many ways kept Sugarbush a live. A few more well done bands in new places would no be all bad. Keeping most of them off the map like at Mad River would be a big plus. "Come and find them" Or "Take a advance lesson by our great staff and you may be shown them" Might be a better way of promoting them. You know us pass holders will know right a way were they are. It's part of being a pass holder and regular. I personally would be happy to help the MT with them. Any one else willing to help? OMG..............how about " a advanced" class in typing and spelling and sentence structure..................you sicken me.

Is there anything that doesn't bother you?

I agree with Treeskier. Having "new" lines that are not actually listed on the map would be a good thing. Some of my best days at Sugarbush have been spent in the woods, using marked trails as a way to get to the "goods."

I also agree that it makes good marketing for advanced ski programs like the Black Diamond Club or Bush Pilots. Also makes for a little group rivalry...as in "Who got the fresh tracks in Win's Woods?...Oh yeah, you can't get there before the Bush Pilots!"

Barkbiter is just angry because he has been hiding out in those lines. Have you seen the free cable TV he's been getting in there?



I'd be happy to spend a weekend or two helping the Mountain clean out lines. I'll even work for beer.

Brew Ski wrote:

I'd be happy to spend a weekend or two helping the Mountain clean out lines. I'll even work for beer.

I'm shocked, based on your screen name.

Thanks for the update, Win. Looking forward to checking out the new zones this winter.